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CARCOSA [mirror/your pronouns] @hexbear.net

1y ago

Federation Check-in vote completed

Hello users of Hexbear,

I wanted to make this post to inform you that hexbear will be temporarily changing to requiring an application for new users. This will stay in effect until after the upcoming pictrs version, and the development of additional mod tooling.

After many complaints mods may begin removing Yakub memes as well as any explicit comment asking a user to post hog, the difference is that while "post hog" is allowed with extreme prejudice commenting "show us your tiny penis" is not allowed, removals will be subject to moderator discretion.

In addition, we would like to reiterate that Hexbear is a space for all our comrades, even if you may not understand their experience, please refrain from labeling a fellow user a wrecker or troll. Using conditions as a pejorative is not allowed, please engage in good-faith and remember the human!

Finally I wanted to hear the user's thoughts, opinions, comments, and proposals regarding Hexbear's recent federation with other lemmy instances.

There are two mod based proposals that I wish to open voting on:

Should we add sh.itjust.works to the hexbear.net/instances allow-list
Should we remove lemm.ee from the hexbear.net/instances allow-list

Use

to vote for removing lemm.ee from the allow-list 11

Use

to vote for adding sh.itjust.works to the allow-list 111

Use

to vote for keeping the allow-list as is (lemm.ee on the list and sh.itjustworks off the list) 60

As always thank you to the moderators and users for making this place amazing!

Votes as of Aliveelectricwire please correct me if my count is wrong.

303 comments

- CARCOSA out here taking Half Measures again
- I will never get tired of these Mike posts. Godspeed.

lemm.ee is chill. I actually have respect for the admin since he's probably the only non-Socialist admin on lemmy who doesn't want to create an echo chamber. That's why I behave nicely when interacting on lemm.ee and the instances that still federate with us.
- I love having every comment section peppered with a few incredibly lib takes. It's like lib dunking takeout in it's convenience.
  
  dunking on the libs aside and focusing purely on the answers in response, it's kinda using Cunningham's Law (the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer), because I feel like while there's obviously still discussion on this site about topics, what really gets the discussion started, and the paragraphs and sources and references to things I didn't previously know about flowing, is when a lib comes in and says something completely unhinged or incorrect
  
  Reminds me of my days fighting in the MTC Struggle session during the Hong Kong protests.

mods may begin removing Yakub memes

Finally I wanted to hear the user's thoughts, opinions, comments, and proposals regarding Hexbear's recent federation with other lemmy instances.
I was skeptical, but it's gone okay. I like flipping to All and seeing other instances and what they're talking about. I just wish the users here were a bit less enthusiastic about posting about how they epically owned the libs on them, or some terrible take from a lib on another instance; that part does get a bit tiring to be honest. But federation itself has worked fine imo.
- Yeah, I don't enjoy having to wade through a bunch of metaposts about federation to get to my actual Hexbear posts. I'm hoping people will get that out of their system and it'll just die down naturally.

I think federation is getting better. The Libs are either learning or revealing their true colours, and frankly the amount of successful converts is too satisfying, let's not stop now.

I'm starting to come around to a more open federation policy because it's been a lot of fun.
or
would both be fine, I don't see a reason to defederate from lemm.ee.
commenting "show us your tiny penis" is not allowed

But fair enough I guess.
- i agree. i dont think we should defederate from even programming.dev even tho they might be even more frothing neoliberal than lemm.ee. its fun arguing with them and then dunking on them in the tank

.ee seems to have some alright posters and they haven't flooded my feed with shitty ai art or terrible memes.
I don't know anything about howshitworks.
- I gotta say, I have seen good takes on ee. I get that the lib takes get repeated, but many have been pretty sucdem level of ok.

I vote for the mysterious 4th option
- We immediately federate with everyone including the Nazi instances and then we bully the Nazis out of their spaces
  
  sounds like a plan

In regards to the federation vibe check - I was worried that federation would ruin the comfy vibes of our website and our sense of community. I'm glad that it didn't turn out that way. Our posters are too damn powerful

I don't know what is this new instance about but let them in. It's too fun to dunk on lemm.ee users so we should keep them in as well. Besides, some of them turned out to be cool

More to pipeline.
Every thread mentioning socialism that we don't participate in just creates more anticommunist nerds. Same for china topics and so on. We should be everywhere.
We will also find more comrades and every single comrade we gain is objectively worth the mental suffering of bad lib takes.
I think also that as time has gone on issues have eased off. The worst libs have been permabanned and now things are calmer. It's pretty clear that federation creates an initial problem that explodes followed by things chilling out as the numbers of problem people thin out due to moderation. We can handle initial problems until things cool off as they have done everywhere else. Maintaining communication lines and being persistent about the fact that things calm down and settle as moderation reaches maturation is probably essential to making these federations work though.

mods may begin removing Yakub memes as well as any explicit comment asking a user to post hog
- post post hog
  
  Ergo procter procter hog

I'm not really sure how to use these emojis and don't think I should have a vote in this decision as my account is 3 hours old at this point.
But I hope hexbear keeps federations open as I first got exposed to it on lemm.ee
I think I have found my place and I think more lemmy users should have the opportunity to do the same.
- If you hover/long press the emoji you'll be able to see its name. Then type a colon and immediately after start typing the name, like :emoji-name, and a little autocomplete menu will pop up and once you type enough to see the emote you want you can pick it there. Or there should be a little emoji icon near the text box, that has a spot where you can search and pick it there instead. They can both take a minute to load the pictures so you might have to be patient with it.

What’s this shitjustworks place, wasn’t this discussed a little while ago and decided against cause they are shit? Or am I misremembering
- Yep, we talked about how they have the https://sh.itjust.works/c/meanwhileongrad comm which has a racist edit of Xi Jinping as winnie the pooh as its profile image.
  
  Wasn't it like last week we talked about adding them and decided they suck to much ?

i can't say my experience browsing this website has improved since this whole 'federation' business. i type 'hexbear.net' in my internet browser expecting to see posts from that website, but instead i see a bunch of posts from a different website called 'Lemmy' filled with some of the most reddit-brained people outside of reddit. (nevermind that half the posts are meta-posts about the site itself) i just wanna browse hexbear, dammit!
if i wanted to browse those other websites i would just do that.
- This is self inflicted and I wish there weren't people in every one of these threads pretending it's not.
  The default if you are logged out is to view only Local posts. The default for new user accounts, if I'm not mistaken, is also to view only local posts, the only reason you are seeing lib shit from other instances is because you selected All instead of Local. you can change it back to Local on your user settings page. They rarely wander in to our comms, even more rarely do such posts survive unscathed. Looking at the front page rn there is one meta post about a bug in lemmy, and one post from a lemmy.ml anarchist, every other post is 100% homegrown. I'd also recommend sorting by hot because currently Active is just a struggle session factory.
  If the real issue is that you have to even hear about lemmy libs or see their posts screencapped in the dunk tank sometimes, idk how that's any worse than hearing complaining about
  and twitter all the time like we used to/still kinda do. but that is at least understandable, its just that most of us don't mind it and think federation is worthwhile, or at least a good laugh
  
  This is self inflicted and I wish there weren't people in every one of these threads pretending it's not.
  you can change the sorting all you'd like but the site feel has definitely changed since federation and pretending it hasn't doesn't serve anyone. it loads slower, threads are more concentrated, etc. some of the changes you may enjoy but pretending it's all the same if you just flip a switch is nonsense.
- glitzy capitalist showreel But you get to see your favorite whacky hexbear personalities interact with maligned liberal gorillas audience laughs
- You can get rid of all the other post by clicking the "local" button at the top

Allow both of them. Recent history shows that we're having more fun dunking on shitlibs than they're having posting cringe.

lets do a little overton window shifting for shitjustworks

it's better to ban individual reactionaries than defed whole comms.

because sh.itjust.works is where I first started before I had my communist awakening, and I know them, and I know they will defederate from us anyways. But in the short moment of federation, we might be able to convince any lingering lefties on there to join us. And shitworks will decay and decline further to the right, which will eventually lead to its destruction.
- they are dinky sloops, we are the ironclad

federation has made me remember the old r/cth and i enjoy that sorry folks

I would like to have some polite exchanges with the Noncredibledefense sub

Did I miss a Yakub struggle session?
the difference is that while "post hog" is allowed with extreme prejudice commenting "show us your tiny penis" is not allowed
Also, glad to see we'll be making what the philosopher's call the "Bawdy turn"

I can always hit the browse by LOCAL if I just want OG Hex
- doesnt stop other instances from posting on our big beautiful lawn.
  
  we have a lawn? what is this suburban hellscape bullshit smfdh
  
  That's always fun though.

:dean-frown: but also just defederate from everyone
bc federation is shit and has done nothing but make the site worse, even when you're set to local half the posts are just about drama on other sites (used to be able to just block the_dunk_tank) and the comments on the other half are lemm.ee users wandering in to post concern trolling about mao or whatever for the 500th time
even the supposed positive additions to the site we were promised like blahaj zone and that furry site fucking fell off a cliff within one shitlib picosecond lmao, 99% of the hexbear lemmygrad posters already had accounts here anyway
the like five cool users in the sea of millions of brain melting libs can make accounts here too if they want to
- even when you're set to local half the posts are just about drama from other sides (used to be able to just block the_dunk_tank
  I'm still on board for federation, but this shit bothers me too. Can we kinda quarantine the intersite drama a little better?
- for real, every thread is impossible to read unless it's super recent because there's a bunch of people trying to dunk on chuds who are agitating on purpose
  
  but slop
- we live in a society.
  I like federation.. we get to dunk on libs again and we're not just a echo chamber any more.

Scrolling down and seeing all of the happy hanks is so funny

I can't argue with herd mentality and it doesn't look like federation is doing more than padding out content.
Bring it on.

Disappointed there's no option to defederate from everyone
- Select Local in your settings. You won't see any posts from outside.

Lemm.ee is good. The admin recently posted a message there explaining why he was not going to defed from hexbear.

After many complaints mods may begin removing Yakub memes as well as any explicit comment asking a user to post hog, the difference is that while "post hog" is allowed with extreme prejudice commenting "show us your tiny penis" is not allowed, removals will be subject to moderator discretion.
THE COMMUNIST MODS ARE TRYING TO SILENCE YAKUB

grant us 10000 years of dunks

I see no reason to defederate from Lemm ee, and I'm fine with adding the just works instance as long as they don't keep posting neo Nazi flags to their non credible defence community. If they continue to post neo Nazi flags, we can always defederate, like we did with the blahj instance after they acted in an immature fashion.

I'm not voting on this because I don't know anything about shit, I trust you all to figure it out
- Yep, I trust you nerds completely. If they argue in good faith, keep um'

MORE MEAT FOR THE GRINDER

If it goes poorly, at least it will be funny

can we still call them cumskins

After many complaints mods may begin removing Yakub memes as well as any explicit comment asking a user to post hog
What's next? Adding
to the slur filter?
- it's apparently a nation of islam thing and associated with white supremacists. or at least that's what came up in a thread yesterday
  
  I'm actually extremely surprised it was allowed for so long, given its associations with the nation of Islam, hotep, and Black Israeliete ideology.
  The mainstreaming of hotep ideology that has happened in the past few years though stuff like Facebook memes and celebrities doing and saying foolish stuff is a weird phenomenon in general.
  
  Link?

sh.itjust.works isn’t any worse than lemm.ee. Let the libs in for reeducation.

All power to the posters

would be 100% worth just to see if they have a meltdown like the 196 losers did

If we're gonna be a Lemmy instance, might as well be a big one!

Primary concern with fedding/defedding should be protecting our trans comrades.
Let's not fuck up this space for them for the sake of anything.

let them complain about us , i love that!

lemm.ee seems fine, ~~and tbh sh.itjust.works will just defed hexbear very quickly, this is what their lead admin had to say about lemmygrad (emphasis mine):~~
~~Hey icy,~~
The decision to block the Lemmygrad instance was less a question of censorship, and more an issue of personal conviction. As a volunteer dedicating my personal resources and time to facilitating a space for users to create, discover, and discuss - not just on this instance, but across the Fediverse - I admit that this choice was made alone, selfishly, without the consent or thoroughly considering the collective opinion of the community. With the above said, sh.itjust.works has had the lemmygrad instance blocked from its first day.
I’d like to also point out that the lemmygrad instance has far more blocked instances than what is currently blocked here. Maybe you can create a post on that instance to see what that’s all about and report back?
I'll just say this: lol, those are all spam, porn, or nazi instances, once again more bad faith comments coming from the lead admin of an instance about LG? Where have I seen this story play out before...

~~(although at least he's mostly honest about why LG is defederated, unlike~~
)
In the middle of writing this comment I've discovered that he's made a comm for decisions like defed, and they seem pretty dedicated to it although tbh I'm kinda sure sh.itjust.works users are just going to call hexbear a bunch of tankies and vote to defed, but you might actually be able to get them on your side somehow...
tentative

I'm curious why the mods want lemm.ee out though. I've obviously seen
bullshit but if there's a real fashy burden, etc, I could change to removal as well.
- Seems like it might be a lot of work given the modlog

There are some good posts on here made by people from lemm.ee, it's not all turbolibs. I mainly don't want sh.itjustworks there because they allow that racist-ass Xi picture to stay up.

mfw I consider enlarging the only pipeline I approve of

Slow down. Things are going okay-ish, but there's a lot in the pipe with lemmy. We have the whole per user instance block, which will affect enjoyment of federation a lot. There's the ongoing mod tool stuff and the csam attacks. We should hold off on major changes to federation until stuff gets sorted or blows over.

or
... honestly, some of the threads that have resulted from federation are the best content I have come across in a long time. Some threads have me literally laughing out loud. I think alternatively, the effort-posting on good faith discussion also has been great... I think federation is actually going well, all things considered

We won't be on our own beating back the trend of fascism, as every instance finds a "new normal" after adjusting to our presence, giving other instance users plenty of opportunity to back us up.
Initial explosions will happen, which are hilarious as fuck, but also necessary to agitate and help everyone along to their final political destinations (most prominently Marxism-Leninism, and fascism) so we can stop this bullshit game of lukewarm liberal nonsense. Once the dust settles and things calm down enough, we'll do it again.
The trend of the Fediverse will be to the left!

Blow a fucking hole in the wall!