I would say 100% of Hexbear posters believe Trump should be immediately summarily executed. In the mean time, though, he's a great comedic subject.

I think everyone has cleared up that we don't actually like Trump. We hate all US presidents. But i wanted to explore a real split that happened when he got elected between people who are still libs, and people like me who were libs but reevaluated my received ideology, in large part due to his election.

Trump getting elected completely invalidates everything libs believe about this country. Myth of meritocracy, shattered. The belief that the "good republicans" will come back, the faith in the electoral system, etc.smashed.

When something like that happens, a real thing happens that invalidates your world view, your ideology, there's two ways it can go. One way is reevaluating those beliefs, and the other is doubling down on them.

To double down, you have to view the real thing that happened as an abberation. It can't be integrated into your worldview it has to be refuted. So what did libs do? Immediately after the election there was, "well maybe he won't take office, the electors could save us". They retreated into a belief in their electoral system. Next they moved onto the Russian conspiracy belief, because it would expunge the record of our electoral system. "If Russian interference happened, then theres nothing wrong with the electoral process!" And they needed nothing to be wrong with the electoral process, because its the only mechanism they have that allows them to believe this is a democracy. Of course, then theres a series of things, the Mueller report/Mueller worship, the hollow ceremony of impeachment.

If you reevalute the system, you integrate reality. You realize that Trump is not an aberation. Trump is the norm, just far more grotesque. Every president is a war criminal whose purpose is to further an imperialist, white supremacist world order. It doesn't matter if they are civil, or have "merit" (whatever that means), or if they're the first black president. They're the figurehead of global system of exploitation.

For me personally, i hadn't become a communist yet, and Trump winning was something that made it clear that the recieved ideology i was operating under was clearly wrong and had to be evaluated. At some point, and for whatever reason people who become communists, or anarchists, or whatever left tendency from the starting position of received American ideology have to reevaluate the world from usually a combination of catalysts.

I think a lot of this shows why theres so much acrimony between us and libs. We invalidate their world view. The thing that allows them to believe they live in a democracy, one that is more democratic than other nations, and freer (libs may except other western nations as free, or even superior, but they chauvanistically know they are better and freer than the global south or any AES).

And many of us are frustrated because we already know what they believe is wrong, because many of us believed it! And we learned it was wrong by integrating the realities we've witnessed into our understanding of the world.

That's probably why some libs think we like Trump, because we don't share the view that he's an aberration, or uniquely bad. He's just a republican. And they can't accept that

Not from hexbear, but no, of course they don't. I would wager that you would have a very hard time finding anyone on hexbear or lemmygrad that has anything but contempt for all US presidents. A bunch of monsters, the lot of them.

The thing about leftist opposition to Trump that seems to confuse liberals is not that we think Trump is awful (everyone here does), but that we think there isn't as much daylight between him and people that liberals actually like (say, Obama) on the awful<->not awful continuum that liberals want us to believe. The crass, blatant incivility isn't what we have an issue with (and the fact that it's what seems to bother liberals the most is something we frequently poke fun at), it's the widespread murder and immiseration of innocent people. Consequences, not intentions; substance, not tone.

Definitely not. He's an odious fascist, or he would be a fascist if he had any sort of ideological commitment to anything other than drawing attention to himself. The fact that he was elected at all is a monumental condemnation of the USA. He just has the soul of a problematic Florida drag queen in there, which makes him a tremendous poster.

Trump is a grotesque monster, but he’s hated by libs not for vile actions, but because he was rude. We don’t value civility here, so we can laugh at him when he’s funny, but he and every living American president deserves to be tried in The Hague

This will echo what others have said: I think Trump was a horrible president, and him being of the capitalist class means I oppose him in a political economy sense. However, the stuff that he did that was bad was bog standard Republican shit: any other Republican would have also cut taxes, deregulated industry, and installed far right whack job judges. And I also think Democrats have done horrible shit; better/worse comparisons are mostly useless as they brush over specifics.

However, I do think he’s fascinating, both in that he may be the perfect reflection of the American political body, and because he highlights fundamental contradictions in nominal American liberal and conservative politics that causes both his detractors and supporters to be extremely neurotic about him. He represents what liberals profess to be the ideal (coastal, urban, private school educated, Ivy League grad, made his money in NYC real estate; shit, any big money Dem donor clicks at least three of those boxes), and what conservatives profess to hate (urban, non-religious, elitist, arrogance), yet the former hate him and the latter love him.

For liberals, it’s that he exposes the lie that elite education credentials stewed in urban culture must always produce socially progressive and competent technocrats, which is why they steadfastly insist he’s some Manchurian Candidate Russian plant because they need to see him as an abnormality and not reflective of the gross underbelly of the meritocracy. For conservatives, he exposes that for all their rhetoric they really love the idea of elites and hierarchy and being lessers to the titans of industry and the state. They just don’t want those titans to be brown, Jewish, or female. So they need to built a weird, cultish mythology around him as an ubermensch, anti-elite elite as to keep up the illusion of them being against hierarchy. All this neurosis is both highly illuminating, and really fucking funny.

*stares in transgender*

he's a naturally funny guy with some all-time bangers under his belt and I think it would be hilarious to see him executed

Hexbear is just envious of his posting power, game recognizes game.

Folks, the bourgeois, they're no good everyone is saying it. All these workers, very handsome workers come up to me and say, Comrade Trump there is a specter haunting Europe, and you know what, they're right. These bourgeois are very nasty people very very rude and very unfair to the workers. They are stealing our surplus value and no one is doing anything about it. The proletariat comes up to me everyday and says, Comrade Trump will you lead the revolution? And I gotta turn to them and say, Look the instruments of capitalism will be used to bring about its destruction believe me you gotta trust me on this one. The means of production, obama never wanted to seize them. Well guess what? I'm seizing them. Landlords? They're done for folks. Everyone told me they said, Comrade Trump you won't be the vanguard of the revolution and they would laugh, the media laughed the democrats laughed, guess whose laughing now?

Looking forwards to the day he dies gargling on his own lung fluids.

Also looking forwards to the day every other war-criminal-president of america gargles on their own lung fluids, which is all of them.

The ones that are already dead should be exhumed and tossed into the ocean.

EDIT: May as well throw Chomsky on the crimes of every US president here too since it's relevant.

If celebrating their deaths is too much for you then you'd hate to know that about 35% of the UK throws literal street parties every year celebrating Thatcher's slow painful death. Problem with that? Too bad. Too bad.

You liberal civility wankers have no idea what a real left looks like, and all of you would be tory shits if you lived here.

What? Lol.

because everyone's added the very clear answer that I agree with, I'll add the bit that'll really get the reddit refugees going:

Trump is a liberal. You are closer to Trump in beliefs and actions than we are.

I think he is funny, and he should be dragged out into the street and shot in minecraft

To use a meme I've seen centrists use time and time again.

My rights are being eroded every day and either they brazenly cheer it on or they silently let it happen. There's plenty said about how bullshit "lesser evilism" really is. War and immiseration continue, the paint job just changes a bit.

You should be questioning the liberals in power that know he's a fascist that tried to overthrow the government but have not killed him. Not hexbear.

We loathe Trump. The jokes/humor we derive from the man come from watching a clownish buffoon shitting across the theater of american politics, and he simply cannot stop shitting.

We think Biden and Trump are very similar in terms of ideology, who funds them, and whose interests they actually represent in terms of laws passed and when you ignore rhetoric.

The fact we think Biden is equally a piece of shit and respect Trump for “honestly” being a corrupt a piece of shit makes it look like we support Trump.

Trump is funnier than Biden and more authentic. Authentic doesn’t mean honest, it means he doesn’t pretend he is other than he is.

Additionally Trump acknowledges that the neoliberal establishment doesn’t represent the interests of the people, and he’s completely right about that. So we join Trump in pointing out that obvious fact but that’s like joining Trump in saying the sky is blue when the Dems are saying it’s a shade of magenta.

Trump is a patriarchal fascist who defends the interests of capital just as much as Biden and so we don’t support him. He’s a piece of shit. He also rejects the pretense of civility which means things might become more overtly violent under his leadership against trans gay and racial minorities which is hellah bad but only in fact a minor difference of degree when you look at the treatment of gay trans and racial minorities under any Dem. Seriously, show me the empirical statistics if you feel shocked or offended by that. So shove it with that shield.

And if you’re Syrian or Iraqi or Yemeni or Afghani etc etc etc etc etc then an isolationist protectionist like Trump is a hell of a lot better than a Biden.

They’re both bad. They’re just as bad as each other, in different ways.

Honestly I don’t want my comrades in the USA to suffer under Trump, that would break my heart, but also I want to see Trump tear this rotten mess apart.

I’m playing both sides because both sides are fucking awful.

No and if someone actually supports Trump they would be rightfully bullied off the platform.

some libs and baby leftists are kinda baffled by the trump banter here and don't know what's serious and what's irony

As opposed to what, acting hysterical anytime he's mentioned and feigning enough outrage to some moral degree? Calling him a wet boy and laughing at him takes actual agency away from some of the ghoulish shit he does. When you act like he's Voldemort (is that the bad from Harry Potter) and not being able to name him is shit he revels in. Literally everything libs have done to try and combat Trump has fallen on it's face and only made him more emboldened. Not to mention it's simply unfunny and often punches down in the process, like showing him sucking Putin's dick. Nice one, way to throw gay men under the bus too.

Trump is a tragedy. Biden too.

He’s an accurate reflection of the sick pageantry that american politics has been. It’s funny. The same way a horrendous car accident we’ve been telling you was potentially possible is. We’re powerless to stop anything, no one listened when we warned everyone. All we can do is just laugh.

Why do you think became such a thing?

People just like making fun of the way he exposes the hollowness of liberal institutions.

But in reality I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

there's no way this is a good faith question, but here goes anyway. maybe I'm unqualified to answer this as I'm a quadferret working on my pentacoyote and it'll be years before I'm an honest to god hexbear, but I think that at the root of the Trump banter is a frustration at people's failure to recognize that the American system is gonna keep shitting out new Trumps until we either change the fundamental assumptions american society is built on or the latest Trump actually succeeds in ending democracy.

is the fly in the soup of

he kinda accidentally and effortlessly pulls back the curtain on the shit show - the 'concentration camps' on the border become 'processing centers' as soon as is in office - even though nothing materially changes

and the :LIB:s just focus on the new shiny BS that comes along in his wake, the media loves to cover him as it accelerates the diminishing attention span to any material reality

Look at what Trump did today! Get very angry about dumb orange man! Don't pay attention to how the entire hierarchy of US society created him and leverages him to maintain the status quo. Biden needs your :vote: to fix things. Don't recall that Ds had every chance to codify Roe but didn't (because that would end the 'will they/won't they' saga of abortion rights that is so lucrative for Ds).

Throughly about this since around 2016. And they keep saying 'bernie bros did this' louder and louder.

lol the guy is an Epstein-associated, fascist dogwhistling sex offender, it goes without saying we should flush his ashes down a toilet. Feels weird to even spell it out.

But look. Trump supporters are a large group, like 150 million people presumably. Some of them are frothing bigots, some of them are Go Red Ream politics-as-a-sport people, but some of them, I can guarantee you, just want someone, anyone, who MIGHT do something tangible for them, and after spending their lives watching polite, civilized politicians do nothing while people's livelihoods crumble around them, they're willing to take a chance on someone like Trump. And then libs are fucking baffled by this, baffled that some crass pseudo-populist jackass who bills himself as an outsider might pull more support than their bloodless, sneering, polished ghouls.

Some of them are people like this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B1g7mjT1PA

He's got things a little scrambled, but on some level he knows he's getting fucking screwed.

Do I, a communist, support a billionaire? Shockingly the answer is no, at least unless resting his neck on the block of a guillotine counts as support

saying "trump can and probably will beat biden from the inside of a prison cell" is not a statement of support for trump

Our big wet boy is lovingly referred to here in a sarcastic manner.

We find his strange antics funny as hell, and the fact he's so blatant about how awful he is means when he does something evil it isn't annoying, just another part of living in satan's heart. Contrast this with biden, who doesn't do as much funny shit, and gets treated like a saint while doing evil shit by many americans.

Serious answer: fuck no. As a trans woman, having Republicans in office is extremely scary (not a pro Democrat post at all)

No lol, he should get his own white house office - without him knowing - sitcom where he can be president for life and make the wildest content possible while thinking he's actually president. He's a catty bitch that puts out the slop for us hogs and we just can't help but lap it up every time

Not being American myself I have the luxury at being able to laugh at the farcical way he ran the country without being in the direct firing lines of his fascistic policies.

Trump is bad in the same way all American presidents are, and worse in all sorts of new ways.

But every photo op, every speech was like a piece of political satire writ real and you have to admit there's a morbid humour to the whole thing.

Our official line is this

Hunter Biden has a big dick

The only person here I can think of who ever unironically supported trump was haz and we banned him for… well on account of how he is

Of course not, he's a disgusting piece of shit.

To be transparent, I hope he wins in 2024 because he is good at driving the US into the ground, but I would never vote for him and strongly discourage anyone else from doing so (nor doing something with a real impact, like phone banking or whatever).

But I would even further prefer a speedy collapse of the US without his help and that he eats a bullet from some deranged Q guy who thinks he needs to resurrect like Jesus Christ.

Worth noting that he is not more of a warmonger than other presidents, who I also hate, but you didn't ask about them.

I don't support Trump as a president. I don't support Trump as a business person. I don't support Trump as a human that lives on earth. I'd be happy if he was none of those things.

I do think he's fucking hilarious in the saddest worst way possible. Like a jester. Trump is a court jester. I just wish he was being forced to dance on a bed of hot coals and knives instead of on the world stage.

I hate Trump but, in the grand scheme of things, his foreign policy was dogshit for advancing the interests of US power projection and I am of the opinion that he was a real spanner in the works for the imperialist agenda compared to his predecessors.

You might say Trump is strays alarmingly close to fascism and I'd be inclined to agree but I'd also note that what US imperialism inflicts upon the world is much closer to fascism in practice than what Trump is like domestically and that needs to be weighed accordingly, especially given that the US is only one country.

I am not hoping for another Trump presidency. I anticipate that a second term in office for him would allow him to shift further to the right as well, which is a grim prospect.

But at the same time, I'm fairly convinced that America won't advance towards socialism much in the coming few years due to a range of internal and external factors, so I am more concerned with how US foreign policy interferes with other countries and their potential advances towards socialism.

This means that, overall, I would see a Trump win as something that bodes slightly better for the rest of the world than a Hillary or Biden win, for example. (Although admittedly it would suck somewhat more for the people living in America.)

Would I prefer Bernie or West instead? Of course.

So, do I support Trump? No, unequivocally not.

Do I think that another Trump presidency would give some respite to the rest of the world and to allow some breathing room for other countries to move towards socialism compared to someone like Biden? Likely, given his previous presidency.

In an overall sense, from the perspective of "pragmatism" and "harm reduction" (ironically two things that get used as a bludgeon to coerce the radical left into voiting blue, no matter who) I think that Trump would be slightly better from a global perspective in comparison to Biden. But I certainly wouldn't cheer for a Trump victory.

I figure this take is going to ruffle some feathers but a slightly shittier situation for the US under Trump doesn't even come close to comparing to the atrocities that US inflicted on Libya, for example, and Libyans are just as important in my consideration as Americans are. That's going to be a bitter pill for some people to swallow.

Ideally Trump would be locked up, and so would Obama and Biden and Kissenger and Bush and Jimmy Carter... but that's not on the cards, aside from Trump (lol.) I would consider a Trump win over Biden/Harris to be slightly less awful overall.

But this is like asking me if I'd rather eat a piece of shit or the equivalent volume of diarrhoea; both are absolutely awful and I'd prefer neither but one is slightly but notably less awful than the other. That doesn't mean it's not a shit option though.

I only support Trump in the sense that his wildly illegal actions drive the US Empire into the ground and expose how fucking corrupt and stupid our political system is.

If Hillary was elected, the whole Epstein thing would never have been a media sensation. The only reason it got so big is because dumbfuck Donald doesn't have the political acumen to avoid shit like this. The more Donald Trump is in power, the more the seams that form this corrupt system start to unravel. I don't think he's significantly worse than Biden and Roe V Wade being overturned is proof. Biden is leading us into increasing escalations with China and Russia, continuing the covid deathcult, and presiding over an increasingly shit economic system while doing fuck all to stop it.

He belongs in the same mass grave as every other capitalist for his crimes against humanity.

Until then: I would never vote for him, or encourage others to vote for him, but I recognize that he is the harm reduction candidate when compared to whatever war criminal blue maga would run against him. Globally, he reduces the dominance of the US and its ability to terrorize the world by being an idiot. Domestically, he increases the chances of leftist revolution by making liberals angry and treating America like the farce it is. He also invented a stimulus by going off the rails in the speech.

Praise for Trump here comes in three flavours (none of them are actual approval of his policies):

-Just blatant sarcasm/irony/nonseriousness.

-Accelerationism. His blatant idiocy you'd think would make it obvious to more people that the USA's system of liberal democracy is deliberately and unsaveably flawed, and his awful policies might bring about change sooner. Just the fact that he was on the ballot without a riot at every polling station seems to indicate this 'acceleration' didn't really happen.

-Equivocacy. A bit like the previous point, his time in office illustrated how much it really doesn't fucking matter, Biden has overseen Roe v Wade being overturned and done absolutely nothing about it. The choices you get in elections are very close to meaningless and basically nothing but a bit of performance art while the ruling class carry on as normal. It forces the question to be more focused if we're going to engage in absolute bullshittery of 'blue v red are the only choices ever'.

Trump's greatest sin for liberals isn't racism or disdain for Democracy, Bush has him beat by a long shot on both counts, his greatest sin for them is a lack of manners. We laugh at Trump because he is a visible and omnipresent symbol of sociopolitical decline, and also because he is a completely hilarious creature. Maybe the most pro-Trump position on here is an ambient desire for a hard left pro-labor candidate to embody some of his mannerisms and mock the DNC Managerial Class into submission like Trump did with the Republicans, but nobody actually likes any of his policies or ideas.

I want to watch him die falling down the stairs

the reason we laugh is that the world is so fucking absurd if we don't laugh we will lose our goddamn minds

I don't support Trump, I think all US presidents unironically deserve to be in prison. (at best)

Let me present this window into the past though for when you're confused why people don't see much difference between democrats and republicans:

$2000 checks, emergency pandemic unemployment, child tax credit, and I killed the guy who defeated ISIS

best I can do is $1400, covid's over you love ukraine now

he is swamp-ass incarnate, our big wet sloppy pissboy, may he one day have a heart attack on live TV. he's not the guy we need, he's the presinald the US deserves.

for context I am a taxpaying US citizen (Death to America).

Trump is genuinely the funniest president we've ever had, and his influence on the aesthetic of American politics and pop culture is probably the most any individual president has had since idk, FDR? In an era where we no longer have regular fireside chats with the president, as they don't actually care about what we think/ in Biden's case probably can't think without a horse's worth of injectable amphetamines, Trump told us what he was thinking about directly in all his deranged glory.

There was no better way to pipeline a lib than Trump. That said, I wish there was an ability to vote 'none' on the ballot.

Trump will be confined to a cell where he can't do anything but post. his term in the gulag will consist of nothing but posting, creating content for us hogs. if studies show that giving him the title of president of some made up place like America magnifies his posting potential, he can have it. but crucially, under no circumstances will he be given any actual decision making power over anyone ever.

I critically support him destroying what trust was left internationally in the American empire as an institution whose promises hold any value. Also, he is funny sometimes and a good poster. He still belongs in prison with every other president and most politicians.

We have some positions in common with Trump, mostly by coincidence. Opposing the EU, "free" trade agreements, all Democrats, paying for military bases worldwide, and funding and encouraging proxy wars against Russia. Supporting relations with DPRK and ending the war on Afghanistan.

Some libs think because we oppose Biden means we support Trump. We just don't think Biden is the solution to Trump, as they're both symptoms of the same problem, capitalism and oligarchy. We don't support Putin because we oppose the US's proxy wars with Russia, they're symptoms of the same problem.

The left-right dichotomy in popular US media is a center-right v far-right split for us, two hemorrhoids on the butthole of capitalism. We generally don't support the popular narrative. The dichotomy we see is between working class and owning class. Imagine our detractors as oil executives, feds, cops and landlords, and anti-socialist propaganda gains valuable context. We generally support communist revolution as the solution, not voting for outspoken anti-communists.

I'm not US, I don't support any US president, and the only candidate I would sincerely (rather than tactically) support is Vermin Supreme.

and I mean that sincerely, Vermin is well-read and principled despite their culture jamming.

I understand that the US national voting system is fundamentally broken (FPTP) so I can understand someone tactically voting for the Democrat Party simply to avoid a Republican Party candidate. But this shouldn't be mistaken for support nor approval.

No, and i actually make it a point to write in Hillary Clinton at the next general election here in Germany because it's her turn

Give me five minutes alone with Trump and a serrated butter knife

Anyone who thinks that leftists are secretly fascist and support people like Trump or Putin or any other capitalist pig in charge needs to take a step back and seriously consider how they themselves view the world critically.

Some of the commentary over here and on grad might seem like that but people need to keep in mind that the actual left(stateside, global Southside, or other) are outside the realm of Dem vs Rep 2 party politics. And as such we can and will be critical of any war criminal that is or was or will be the president of the United States.

I think a lot of ideas about us leftists being secretly pro-Trump probably stem from our critiques of Obama or Biden. And those people in the comments on other instances stating that we are somehow fascist bots pretending to be leftists need to figure out how to stop viewing the world in back and white.

No, absolutely not.

Occasionally I've seen someone (there might even be some in this thread) get some stupid 5th dimensional chess idea about how Trump is going to accidentally create the conditions for communism somehow (I saw this for Biden too once). It's the sort of weird nonsense Americans come up with after realizing that our political situation is FUBAR, but they don't want to give in to doomerism and they can't concieve of anything beyond voting every 4 years. It's incredibly stupid and tbh deserves to be bullied more.

Broadly speaking, the main difference between Trump and other presidents is that he says the quiet parts out loud. He is very openly and explicitly bad, compared to the others that put on nice pretenses while enacting essentially the same policies. We often focus more on exposing these "fake friends" because sometimes well-meaning people get fooled by their lies, whereas nobody well-meaning likes Trump. It's just less interesting to talk about stuff where we're all pretty much on the same page.

I did not expect so many responses, thanks 🥲

i don't hate anyone, i am not about hate in general.

that said, I would enjoy watching Donald Trump being eaten alive by ants

some libs and baby leftists are kinda baffled by the trump banter here and don't know what's serious and what's irony

literally 90% of the emojis and banter on this site are ironic how is this not obvious

Every American president is a war criminal. Trump is no exception, he just happens to be an open asshole about it. It's funny watching Libs get butthurt because instead of just bombing poor brown countries, he also insults them at the same time. Every single US president is going to hell if it exists.