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EM POC WEEKLY THREAD 11/18/2024

EM POC ONLY!!!

This is home for me.

I love all of my comrades on c/em_poc, but I wanna especially give a huge shoutout to @sweet_pecan@hexbear.net for doing a lot to help me keep my composure. I don't know if they quite realize how much I appreciate them!

Each and every single one of you makes me feel less alone through these struggles, though.

I hope all of you are well!

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  • On Instagram, in regards to Sarah McBride being a reactionary, Zionist piece of libshit, I stated

    Reminder that a white person being a part of a marginalized group does NOT absolve them of their whiteness and KKKolonizer mentality

    Fittingly enough, a white trans woman responded, "People who unironically use Maoist Standard English need to be studied."

    I didn't even put up with it; I just straight-up blocked.

    It's pretty obvious what's going on here. Trans cracKKKer is upset that my very real and true statement struck a nerve, but SShe has no way of responding without taking the mask off and putting the hood on, so what SShe did instead was poke fun at me for using MSE. Basically, it's an ad hominem SShe used to KKKompenSSate for her being a SSalty KKKraKKKKKKer.

    What's even more telling about this is that MSE intends to sprinkle humor into statements regardless, but usage of it obviously doesn't lessen the accuracy of what I'm saying.

    • "Maoist Standard English" came from AAVE anyways, so it's fitting a white woman would have a problem with it.

    • White trans folk giving me ALL THE REASONS this month to disregard every fuckin thing they have to say. I'd say "disfellowship them from LGBTQ causes"; but I already do that with all whites anyway; crackers can keep their copwashed Pride parades and their need to fetishize Black bodies while getting to say whatever the fuck they want about us. That ain't nobody I'm invested in "coming together" with anymore.

    • Typical

      , I feel for ye

  • adult white queers who base their identity around Greek mythology are the actual worse. like 90% if them are white supremacist. i will not fuck with them, I genuinely despise them. please grow the fuck up and research any other part of history. if you can tell me about how gay ancient greek and rome were but not any other country you are a queer white supremacist.

    • Cis white men: obsessed about ancient rome and greece because strong alpha male
      Queer whites: obsessed about them because uhm actually they were super gay
      Reality: they're obsessed about them because they think they were white

      • yes!! exactly! and its not like they study the actual history. the celebrate a fantasy version of ancient Greece free of misogyny and slavey. like I cant tell you how many queer people I've heard say things like "I don't want to go to work, I want to be gay and write poems all day, eating grapes, like i should be doing in ancient Greece" GIRL Sappho didn't do actual work because she had SLAVES, you're fantasizing about being a slave owner right now. same thing with white queers who call themselves achilleans. like sapphic is less bad because it has an etymological reason for existing, it has a history. ACHILEANS are white queers who are obsessed with tic tok "retellings" of ancient greek myths that they think are canon. no joke raina i have met dozens and dozens of these people and they are insufferable

    • Western version of toxic yaoi tropes at some point, just purely vibes based.

  • Spent a lot of time around whitey this week and they're completely shook over Trump winning (as though they're the ones who will face any serious consequences). Not one mention of Palestine. They'll list every reason under the sun except the elephant in the room. People didn't show up to vote because the options were Tojo and Hitler. Genocide overseas or genocide at home.

    A more generous (but naive) person would say they're just ignorant of what's been happening and are hyper-focused on Trump and Musk. But I think they do know and want to pretend it isn't happening and the US isn't complicit. They either agree with zionism or they think of the US as "the good guys." They don't want to say it out loud because then they'd have to acknowledge what we're doing and the cognitive dissonance would physically manifest.

    Related to this all, I went to a funeral for a guy I met once or twice, but was related to one of my mom's lifelong friends. I was told everyone was vaxxed and they really wanted to see me there etc. etc. Lo and behold, this motherfucking whitey shows up and she's got the coof. "She's past the five days of being contagious and tested negative this morning and...." No, shut the fuck up. I have a compromised immune system. Nor do I want it. And of course people are hugging her and coming up to chat but it's "fine because she's wearing a mask" (that isn't the right kind and she's taking off to blow her nose as she cries over her dead relative). And of course she gets up and goes to stand by the drinks and cookies to chat with people and cry.

    Luckily I already got my free shit so I was able to leave. Got into the car and immediately had a "Thanks for not saying 'Another crackkker down unlimited genocide on the first world' at Grandpa's funeral, that took a lot of restraint," play in my head. I was the only non-white person there out of like 100+ people. Maybe they'll all get covid and I can gloat later, so that's nice.

  • Even for forms of bigotry not directly related to race, marginalized white people in leftist spaces seem to seriously have far less skepticism than I do as an intersectional black person in leftist spaces.

    For instance, as a black trans person, not only do I expect white people in leftist spaces to have racist brainworms, but I expect cis people in leftist spaces to have transphobic brainworms as well.

    However, it seems like white trans people in leftist spaces, on the other hand, not only ignore their own racist brainworms, but it seems that so many of them just all willy-nilly assume that your average cisgender person in leftist spaces is going to be totally accepting of trans people and not have any strong transphobic brainworms whatsoever.

    I find that they don't have enough skepticism, but I do believe that I'm on the opposite end of this issue, in that I have too much skepticism. It's to a point where I feel that somebody being white and/or cis in and of itself is a major red flag for me.

    A kind-of-an-example-of-this-but-not-really I recall is when a user on Hexbear posted a thread about SSouth KKKorean gender troubles, and they referenced the 4B movement and praised it as some kind of "epic, based WAOW! feminist movement," and many trans users were commenting on this post praising 4B as well. After it came out that 4B is racist, bioessentialist, and just flat-out awful in so many ways, people were cringing at themselves.

    What's my point? Well, if I hear about any female separatist movement, especially in a place like Occupied KKKorea, my first thought isn't going to be, "Wow, this is epic girl power and a powerful middle finger to patriarchy!" Instead, my first thought is going to be, "Let me research this group and find out about all of the terrible shit that they support, and while I'm at it, let me acknowledge how undialectical their movement is, as it has no demands and it is rooted in zero feminist theory."

    The fact that womanists have pushed against white feminists doing this shit in the United States educates my skepticism very well here.

  • I love how I'm seeing tons of white liberal women on social media constantly say "Kamala lost because of misogyny" while not bringing up white supremacy at all. It's strikingly funny to me how often they've avoided mentioning the racial aspect because they'd feel too complicit in contributing to not just Kamala's loss but the very racist institutions responsible for keeping POC oppressed themselves if they actually were to address these things.

    This reminds me of this comment of mine.

    I literally saw a post that showed Trump voter stats for race and gender, but they were completely separate, and white people and men as groups were roughly the same percentage, but this liberal white woman commented on the post, "Wow, men are not okay" or something to that effect. This is just reinforcing the theory that many Western white feminists do not care about ending oppression; they just want patriarchy to stop inconveniencing them personally. They'll side with white supremacy if given the chance.

    On top of that, all of these various scratched liberal moments have been excellent case studies on how little liberals care about oppression that doesn't personally impact them. Hell, they actually want to keep it flourishing! Any liberal who says otherwise is just doing the typical performative, bourgeois bullshit.

    And this isn't even me going into the obvious flaws of focusing so much on identity as the foremost reason why Kamala lost while neglecting a multitude of many other reasons.

  • I don't know if I'm just a bitter old man already but whenever I hear other grown black men whine and complain about being a nerd I find it irksome. Like bro I get it, I was bullied and shit too. I feel for you I really do, but at the same time, we are grown. Just like whatever shit you like man. It isn't a big deal. No one cares. It's fine, like what you like, do your thing. It also doesn't make you special, everyone likes nerdshit now.

    It'd be different we were in like middle-school or high school, but my brother we have 401ks now, just buy your little figures and shut the fuck up.

    • They never got over getting curved by their own people in middle/high school and let that gouge in their mind become their whole personality as an adult. Can't tell me that's not a significant source of misleadership.

      EDIT: What still fucks with me sometimes is I absolutely fell down that rabbithole growing up. I was the lil brother whose poetry never rhymed or metered enough to fit a sixteen in middle school, never found my innate rhythm until I learned how to play bass in high school, gravitated more toward peeling computers layer by layer than going up for sports-- then I left my hometown and had to reckon with the fact when I'm not surrounded by as much whiteness as I was, I started flourishing. My pull magnified and expanded by leaps and bound when I left home; and all that aggrieved blerd shit stopped making sense.

      Like, I'm not even gonna go thru the whole 'seek therapy' canard; 'cause I got past it without. It just requires a few levels of self-awareness and awareness of the spaces you inhabit.

      • Can't tell me that's not a significant source of misleadership.

        For real! So many of the big "black excellence™℠®©" types really ooze with that sort of insecurity. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it truly did a number on them in your youth, especially back in the day. I don't discount that, however I do think at a certain point (especially those with greater means) you continue to victimize yourself by not letting yourself move past that.

    • I want my blerd men to HEAL so bad! I noticed alot of them also fell a bit into the look maxing era where they started working out and making themselves a certain type of attractive, but still hold the same hate and disdain from their childhood. Working out and updating looks are fine but leaving out the mental work makes it useless. HEAL BROTHAS, PLEASE!

  • I noticed something with my immigrant friends, the ones who try to integrate into "American" culture tend to latch on to white pop culture. Like a lot of them talk to me about friends, Seinfeld, and all those white shows from the 90s. I assume these were the shows and stuff that exported internationally just as part of white culture being dominant so it's not really a fault to them, but I've had to explain a little too many times how I've never seen those shows and have no idea what they're referencing. I don't expect them to know Black culture nor be able to pick it up properly either but it's just been an interesting thing I've noticed, white supremacy goes far.

  • White westerners only recognize settler colonialism when they want to be racist towards immigrants and refugees of war, "So you're against white people coming into Africa and America and immigrating there but it's totally fine for Africans to immigrate to Europe and America?" and when you bring up the violence from settler colonialism they're like "oh so it's bad when settlers kill but okay when immigrants kill" like a smug gotcha moment.

    • God damn, can

      Amerikkkans, KKKlanadians, Asstralians, and the like of settler-colonializers, get nakba'd back to Europe...

      They may not be the most evil fuckers, compared to their empire-building regime, but they're the most smuggest and ignorant shits

    • and when you bring up the violence from settler colonialism they're like "oh so it's bad when settlers kill but okay when immigrants kill" like a smug gotcha moment.

      This is genuinely what's made me more hardline over the past two years like, I'll look that cracker in the windows of their SOUL and tell them I think some tough from the Sahel who's only known a honky to be a rotten colonizing thief should put a 7.62 between their eyes for asking me something so stupidly crackerish.

  • Western liberals either see POC either as a playdoll that agrees to everything with them, or just evil. Cubans are the first type Chinese people are the second type.

    • Funny how Cubans and Chinese either become victims of their circumstance or willing participants based on how acutely threatened westerners are.

      • Social credit -> Chinese are victims
      • Tik-Tok -> Chinese are the villains

      • Chinese immigrants in US who say "CccccPee is evil no food took away egg monopoly" gets whitey to reply "Wow what an evil regime I'm sure this person is a total expert on their home country and knows everything there is."

        Chinese immigrants in US or China who say "Actually things aren't bad in China. I'm only outside the country to study a subject our universities don't have programs for or have a job traveling," gets whitey to bust out the calipers "Wow you're completely brainwashed and I'm going to compare you to hive insects while dismissing everything you say."

    • This is the end result of them chugging their own ideology of "brainwashing", innit...

  • made me think

    Wish I had the monies for a half decent bass, or even a kind of shit one. Gave my old/only one to a friend who turned out to be garbage and they still have it

    • My condolences :/ When I left home, I couldn't take everything with me; and when I asked my pops to mail me mine, he said he was going to... Three years later I find out he hocked the thing and now I've gotta come out of pocket to figure out how i'mma replace a custom fckin one-of-one. Mix that with the way he looked me in the face and told me I 'must've been doing something to deserve' a cop waylaying me with their gun drawn like six months after, and I haven't talked to that fucker in near a decade

  • The more I think of white people, especially those bourgeois spokesperson of the professional managerial class or small-to-medium settler-propetarian ranks, the more I think "yeah, maybe Pol Pot had a bit of an idea, when seperating the base people from the new people"

  • I've noticed that zionists something call Algeria an Apartheid state, I didn't know why because they kept saying its name randomly from time to time to deflect apartheid accusations on the zionist entity, apparently it's because they think being a Muslim to gain Algerian citizenship????????????????????? That's not even remotely true

  • How does everyone deal with skepticism of science based healthcare? Not sure if that's the right phrase, but its the only way I can think of describing it. My mom was just talking to me about a naturalist doctor claiming that there was an assassination attempt against them and honestly I don't even know where to start.

    I get where some of the skepticism comes from considering the long history of white society using POC as their guinea pigs for medical advancements. And the fact that in the West, especially in the US, healthcare is more about profit than it is about actually helping people doesn't help. At the same time I feel like people take the skepticism too far and no matter what I've tried to say in the past about individual healthcare providers not being the problem, but rather the system that encourages profit over health people still fall back on their skepticism.

    • There was like a survey done that found a find number of nurses and doctors that believed that black people have higher pain tolerance than white people

      • I remember that or a similar study.

        Shit sucks because it feels like there's no in between. Just full on dehumanization on one end and dangerous misinformation in the other. Like I myself have some of that skeptcisim, especially when it come to mental health, but its grounded in history and studies such as the one that you mentioned.

    • my friends all think im crazy for being afraid of doctors. hate alternative medicine more tho

      • Most of my family is the opposite. Big on natural and alternative medicine. Nothing wrong with that, but the way they completely disregard everything else is a bit bothersome.

        I'm most comfortable talking to my mom about it, but when I talk about all the systemic issues around healthcare she just goes back to blaming individuals and talking the type of shit that I hear from right wingers. But IDK... Maybe I shouldn't let it bother me as much as it does.

    • It’s a complicated question.

      Like I said before, my family has had a history of disabilities, from schizophrenia to leukemia.

      My entire family has had varying opinions and reactions when it came to healthcare in general.

      In my culture there was a traditional “village doctor” who would some of my family members would go to, but others explicitly rejected or did not think it works. There are also those that only go for “officially sanctioned” religious treatments. Many would visit a standard clinic or hospital as well and sometimes a mixture of all 3.

      Our family had cases where one refused to take their prescribed medicines for schizophrenia, or other stuff and it became a whole process to ensure that they start taking it again.

      It’s easy to say but the scepticism really just requires a lot of communal and familial involvement at an individual level. People will trust those that they are familiar with. In terms of policy that would mean heavy investment in community-level health clinics and other related policies.

      It obviously should bother you, because you are thinking they are not doing what it is in their best interests, but in the end we have to meet them where they are at and slowly chip away at their resistance. It definitely will not be easy.

  • Revisiting the Libyan NATO invasion every once in a while to compare it to current geopolitical situations, crazy how the Arab league sanctioned the Jamahariya in such a short time, but then still having trades with the zionist entity. And like it was all for non valid reasons.

    • crazy how the Arab league sanctioned the Jamahariya in such a short time, but then still having trades with the zionist entity.

      Did they have a referendum on the sanctions, and which country voted for which? I'm guessing the Khaleej kkkompradors had something to do with it (i.e. Kuwait, Bahrain, Oman, UAE, Saudi Arabia)

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