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Is the constantly talking about being trans in leftist spaces not also fueling the over focus on trans people?

So no one thinks I'm a troll, I completely support trans people doing whatever the fuck they want with their bodies. And I don't mind seeing trans stuff. But with that said, I feel like the hundreds and hundreds of posts I see about trans people is not helping. Going off like this site and a few others I browse you'd think trans people are like 40% of people instead of more like 2%.

I feel like constantly putting them in the spotlight, even to say you support them is just contributing to this "trans awareness burnout" I hear about in a lot of my non-leftist conversations. I mean i almost never see posts saying stuff like "I support indigenous Americans/homeless people/etc". And not because we don't, but because it's so obvious we don't feel the need to talk about it. Shouldn't trans people be the same way?

Anywho I'd love to hear thoughts, change my mind or kneel to my clearly superior intellect and dialectical understanding. :kubrick-stare:

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  • Bruh wtf is “trans awareness burnout." Anybody who gets" burned out" by seeing "I love my trans comrades" is never going to be a comrade. The very existence of trans people is under attack in the United States; the internet by and large is hostile to the mere presence of trans people. Pretending that that's not the case, simply not speaking, not forcefully making space, that's not what we're about here. This post has a big "All Lives Matter" energy to it. Should we not say Black Lives Matter even though in the US they're a minority? What would you think about somebody who has "Black Lives Matter burnout"? Apply that same lense to trans awareness and you'll understand why we're so vocal here.

  • Trans awareness burnout

    As a straight cis male, I for one appreciate our trans comrades' efforts to combat straight cis male awareness burnout.

  • I'm pretty sure 40% is only a slight overestimate for this site's demographics.

    The right has identified a punching bag. It doesn't matter to fascist state legislators that trans people are only 2% of the population, they'll keep wailing on them. Mass ignorance is one of the things that allows them to do so without any consequences. As with homophobia, racism, and misogyny, we can't simply cover our eyes and pretend they don't exist to make them disappear. No easy targets, no separate struggles, no one gets left behind.

  • Going off like this site and a few others I browse you’d think trans people are like 40% of people instead of more like 2%.

    While it may not be 40%, the trans population of niche leftist web-forums will be higher than 2%.

    Trans people are more online, for a lot of reasons. Introversion due to social stigma or dysphoria (consciously or unconsciously) from a young age, higher rates of autism (which has its own pile of reasons for autistic people of all sorts to be 'more online'), and just, being a minority and wanting to connect with 'people like you' in a way that physical geography makes difficult. Trans people are both pushed out of 'normal spaces', and drawn towards 'niche spaces' for these reasons. Obviously, a generalization that won't apply to everyone, but it'll skew the statistics.

    On top of that, trans people are much more likely to be leftist. Again, partially from being 'drawn towards' leftism for a variety of reasons, but also being 'pushed out of' the right and center.

    So it really shouldn't be a surprise that niche online left spaces have a large trans contingent.

    And, of course, while much of the 'culture war' around trans issues are right wing loser whinging online, there's very real threats, political and personal, to being a trans person specifically. And, lots of online spaces, "leftist" ones included, can attract transphobes, and being loud about "I love my trans comrades!!!!!" not only affirms trans users that this is a space that isn't afraid to kick out shitheels, it also honeypots shitheels into 'debating' if loving trans comrades is 'valid' (letting mods promptly kick them).

  • https://forward.com/culture/549587/trans-book-burning-library-gay-pride/

    Fascism will eventually come for everyone, but they always start with the most 'acceptable' targets. In Germany that was trans folks, as it is today in the USA/UK. The small numbers of trans people is an element of this strategy. If you want to see other marginalized folks get more attention here, then be the change you want to see. But DO NOT tell folks to 'tone it down' or whatever other libshit.

  • No.

    The hatred of trans people is being fueled by right wing and liberal media projects manufacturing outrage. Some lefties expressing solidarity to trans people in forum spaces that the right only wind up in to ridicule is not contributing to anti-queer sentiment.

  • Trans liberation, like other sites in the so-called 'culture war', is a concrete battlefield of the class war.

    Trans issues, women's issues, racialised people's issues, homeless people's issues are the issues of trans, female, racialised and homeless workers. Each line is a front that MUST be fought on, and the class war is not some higher, more abstract thing that can be fought independently but is the sum of the concrete battles face by each section of the working class. Now, I'm not accusing you of this, but failing to understand that is the basis of the "socially conservative" patsocs, vulgar materialists and other pseudo-left thought trap movements.

    The capitalists want to carve up the working class into a hierarchy that they can control through a tiered scale of patronage, with white, cis men at the top, and their success at doing so is the cornerstone of capitalism's current longevity. Only complete solidarity between EVERY section of the working class will lead to a successful revolution, and the section of the working class currently under the heaviest fire is our trans comrades. So, here in our secret bunker, they get the most support.

  • People who don't find societal acceptable in general society seek it out in online forums. Trans is a phenomenon as old as time, but the idea of a trans community is incredibly recent.

    For this forum specifically, it literally would not exist without the effort and work put in by our trans comrades. Imo, communism ideology in America would not exist without the dedicated posting of our trans comrades.

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