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The fuck do you want them to do? Ya'll mfs voted the fascism back in after their first failed attempt, you can't just pass your blame off to some dude in the minority party.
Every single person who could vote and did not vote DNC is responsible. Every single one.
Every single person who ever shared an anti Biden or Harris meme or spoke critically of them publicly before the election contributed to this problem. Everyone who was able to but did not openly endorse them or volunteer contributed to this problem.
- That is a spicy take, but I agree. Anyone who looked at Trump and Biden/Harris and expressed things like "Biden is kinda old' or 'I don't like Harris' position on Gaza' fucked everything up.
  We didn't get a democratic primary for this election, so we were in a place where we had a single option... it was Biden, up until it wasn't, and then it was Harris. IN ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY ANY CASE, either of those two would have been better than Trump. Anyone who held off voting for them or stayed home out of some relative-to-fascism-minor-issue -- or worse, voted for trump out of either approval or to 'send a message' -- ruined it for everyone.
  If you're reading this comment and annoyed by my tone, just re-read the meme. This will very likely happen and we warned you. The people in power right now will never give it up and are actively dismantling the ways to stop them.
  Trump is pushing right now to make us revolt and be violent so that he has an excuse to take even more power; to declare martial law or send in his pet police force or similar, even if it's a tenuous reason, and we've seen how the people who should stop him will just roll over out of fear. This was all blueprinted in Project 2025. They told us what they would do and are actively doing it.
  I don't know if the folks suggesting legal, passive, protest responses are right or if we need to organize and fuck shit up right now like the ones stating that a revolution is the only way to stop this. I'm just a dude with a family and I'm part of the problem. I think our collectively meek response is going to be the end of the USA.
  Empires fall. The USA as we know it is likely over but dictatorships also end, and there's a likelihood that something will rise from the ashes.
  I will be very happy to look back at this post in 20 years and think about how I was wrong and catastrophizing.
  
  You consider genocide minor compared to fascism?
  
  No, I don't. They are both horrible. Way to pick a single issue -- which I'm sure is important to you -- and make it the whole thing, but many attacks were lobbed at Kamala, from her gender, race, her history against crime, to her unwillingness to support Palestine.
  In the context of USA politics, but also what seems to be the whole world's fall into chaos, we keep choosing the worst options instead of the not perfect ones.
  I'm pro-Palestine. I would love for my country to support Gaza, but, and sorry for shouting here:
  IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD DOES DONALD TRUMP RESPECT PALESTINIANS MORE THAN KAMALA. IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD DO YOU SEE HIM MAKING THINGS BETTER THAN SHE COULD HAVE.
  This is the absolute worst take. She could have been terrible for Gaza, but we already knew he would be. In the context of the US election, there's no case for refusing to vote for Kamala over trump if you're hung up on this issue. You are exactly the problem I'm mad about. Do you not understand how tearing her down hurt everyone? How continuing to focus on this one issue to the detriment of all others prevents us from being able to actually talk about it because the children in the room get elected?
  Yes, complain about the US stance, and I'm with you. Publicly deride the better option because it's not perfect and you have people sit out the election because of both sides and you will see that the worst parts of humanity win instead.
  You're just as bad as the Epstein Files meme folks. Yes, it's an important issue, but making it the ONLY issue prevents conversation on any other topic. And to hold off the Epstein people: We already know who is in the files, we don't NEED the confirmation. The fact they won't release them implicates the people in power. You think another felony conviction is going to stop him/them?
  The time to vet US politicians is in a primary... again, we didn't get one this time. When the time comes to choose who is better or worse for yourself or the world, though, you vote for the least bad option.
  And I think perhaps the end result is that yes, I think fascism is worse than genocide because I think it's a precursor. The US is aiding a genocidal country right now (for reasons that I don't understand, there seems to be a ton of pro-Israel sentiment), but is not the acting force there, that's Israel. Right now, on my land, the US is trying to move towards genocidal tendencies against it's own people: see ICE deportations and hostility. This is a direct result of choosing trump over basically anyone else.
  Editing to add: I think this a bait I keep falling for. Anyone responding to a serious post with a single sentence is a troll. I'm hoping to inform others who might feel like zark but didn't post what they did rather than discuss with them.
  
  You're doing great don't second guess yourself.
  
  Do you not understand how tearing her down hurt everyone?
  Do you not understand how ignoring those criticisms tanked her campaign?
  Why are you angry at me and not Harris and the DNC?
  This is what gets me. Democrats act like their party is some force of nature which they have no control over. They seem completely unwilling to place any demands on their candidates, because they're afraid that it will weaken them and cause the Republicans to win.
  In reality, Harris was already coming from a place of weakness. If she had properly handled the issue, it could've saved her campaign, but she refused.
  Regarding the Epstein files: Releasing those files is important for the victims to gain closure. They have said this. Additionally, there are probably a lot of big-money donors implicated in those files, and that's why they don't want them released.
  No, I don't think they'll take down Trump, either, but that doesn't mean that they aren't important.
  
  Oh, I'm mad at them too. And I understand how her failure and that of the DNC screwed things up. I'm mad at lots of people :)
  I'm not mad at you, in particular, but I'm mad at the concept that we, on the left, are always chasing the 'perfect' candidate and allowing really shitty people to win when a non-shitty person is available.
  I've voted in every primary and off-year election since 2006, preferring the more progressive or dare I say socialist candidates in 2016 and 2020. Despite my choices not being the ones the rest of the county chose, I still voted for the democratic candidates in those elections. I would have liked to have a voice in 2024, but I wasn't given one and it pisses me off.
  Despite that, I think there was a clear "better for US and better for the world" candidate, but she got a bunch of negative press from people and organizations who were either too stupid to recognize the best of bad choices, or were actively trying to sabotage her chances. I think that negative press caused some people to decline to vote for her that otherwise would have, and the margin in some states was thin. I think it very well could have changed the election results if people had said things like "I don't like her stance on X, but we should vote for her because she's clearly better on Y, Z, A, B, C and D than him."
  I am NOT trying to say that the topics where people didn't approve of her stances were not valid, or that they are not important. I would love to have the Epstein files released, and I would love for the US to support Gaza, and I would love for us to figure out how to support minorities, trans people, and all sorts of other disadvantages. I'm a caricature of the bleeding-heart-liberal and will fight for other peoples' rights harder than I fight for my own. I happen to be privileged in race, gender and birth social status, but I recognize it, and that it is a fleeting privilege if I don't help others retain theirs.
  What I am trying to say is that when every political discussion turns into 'but genocide' or 'release the files', we stifle the ability to discuss things that are also important. Specifically those two examples because 'but genocide' was used during the election to great effect and 'but epstein files' is currently being thrown around here so often it feels like either just a meme or an intentional distraction. You did this exact thing when you took my whole response and turned it into 'genocide isn't as bad as facism?'
  Thanks for writing more than a witty one-liner this time.
  
  Is this another attempt at "but harris gaza!!"
  'Cos I gotta ask, has fucking trump stopped the killing? Has he done absolutely fucking anything except actively make it fucking worse?
  You don't have a moral high ground with that shit. You're in a fucking cesspool.
- I wouldn't go as far as saying sharing a meme as politicians ahould be mocked, but yeah, when all you had to do to stop a nazi is show up to a ballot box and say "fuck off" and you didn't even do that, you are culpable for the shit they pull.
- Right wing think tanks love this argument.
  
  Are you referring to mine or the meme above it? Because I would wager Right Wing Think Tanks love the anti-DNC propoganda a lot more than calls for blue no matter who.
  
  "anti-DNC propoganda"
  "Every single person who ever shared an anti Biden or Harris meme or spoke critically of them publicly before the election contributed to this problem. "
  holy america-brain. you're not making your "democratic" party sound very democratic.
  i would put the blame on anybody that voted for and supports trump, not on the people saying neither of the candidates in your 2-party system is a good representative. like i understand the argument to choose between the lesser of two evils, but why are you dying on the hill of which evil you choose? more importantly why are you villainizing the people fighting for a better choice, and instead standing by a party that ignores criticisms to be less evil?
  i would wager Right Wing Think Tanks love YOU blaming the anti-fascists instead of... the fascists. especially you scapegoating other progressives and the rhetoric of uncritical support for YOUR leader: "blue" no matter who, huh?
  it's long past due for the usa to dismantle the flawed 2 party system. having to choose bewteen more or less genocide is not a democracy for those that are anti-genocide. yall gotta see past your current failing system and fight for broader ideals of accountable representation and anti imperialism.
  
  Yes, "American Brain." From and/or in America. In a discussion of US Politics. How surprising.
  The only way the two party system is getting dismantled by not supporting the DNC is by creating a fascist one party system, so great job.
  
  genuine curiosity, why would you want to continue using a broken system with all of its guardrails for fascism broken off?
- That's on you for allowing your party to push an unpopular candidate on the electorate.
  Y'all didn't rebel against the DNC when they ignored the uncommitted movement and decided to just select a candidate who never won a primary. Y'all didn't rebel when she refused to condemn the Gaza genocide and admitted that she would continue to support it. Y'all didn't rebel when she refused to stand up to the Republican attacks on trans kids.
  So, now y'all get to go fuck yourselves.
  
  Nah you’re not in position to state that. If the alternative wasn’t worse enough then you are to blame. There’s no perfect candidate. Ya could’ve voted in mid-terms, gave low approval ratings, voted for your preferred candidate during the next DNC primary. Not when it’s against Trump and project 2025. That’s choosing a nuclear bomb over a run of the mill bomb; sure both are bad but one is catastrophic. You’re mad that people chose a less severe bomb because it’s a bomb but your anger allowed something significantly more catastrophic yet you want to sit on some high horse. Sometimes you’re choosing against two bad things, choose the less terrible thing.
  If there’s an unavoidable situation where people will die 10,000 v 100 I’m going to choose the least damage. You’d let 10,100 people die
  
  You're making an elementary political error here. In politics, you have to give a constituency something that they want or you could lose their vote. Harris gambled that she wouldn't need the anti-war vote. She lost.
  Honestly, what is the game plan here? If you can get enough people to feel guilty about their vote, then they'll vote the "right way" next time, regardless of how bad the candidate is? When has that ever worked? Wouldn't it be easier to just get a good candidate?
  
  Are you seriously trying to play this card? "She didn't pass a purity sniff test so we're gonna destroy our country and blame you."
  Absolute fucking toddler level logic

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