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People really actually should learn how to make bugs into more widespread, varied, and tasty cuisine.
Meat is about to get much, much more expensive.
Addendum: Ask the vegans about their most cost effective, most sustainable protein sources.
- left
  
  Exploiting other creatures is anything but left.
  
  It's harm reducing compared to exploiting mammals and devastating the environment with ranching and it's supporting agriculture. Also - you will eat the bugs.
  
  The only ones who say that without irony are right wing though so...
  
  Which part?
  
  "you will eat the bugs" right? It's like their whole globalist dog whistle thing
  
  It is at this point, 7 comments deep, arguing over whether or not this is a 'left' or 'right' stance or otherwise how to classify it, that I am going to suggest that I have successfully produced an opinion which does not easily fit on the traditional left-right spectrum.
  
  Nah bro, while radical this is solidly left
  People really actually should learn how to make bugs into more widespread, varied, and tasty cuisine.
  Advocating for cultural updates to traditional hang-ups regarding disgust over ultimately harmless activities.
  Meat is about to get much, much more expensive.
  Recognition of real-world material conditions and their affects on workers.
  Addendum: Ask the vegans about their most cost effective, most sustainable protein sources.
  Not insulting vegans.
  
  For the record I agree with you, all your points as to why this is 'left'... but I would mostly just call this practical, pragmatic, realistic, something like that.
  Yes, that does mesh nicely with 'material conditions' and all that, but I still find it amusing that this has generated a bit of a classification argument, ahaha!
  EDiT: sorry i kind of stealth edited tjis for clarity, fucked up writst makes typing fun
  
  Ladies and gentlemen, we got 'im.
  I could realistically see some movement towards this, I mostly said it's radical because of the context of this thread in which other people are posting some fairly lukewarm takes.
  
  Oh gotcha, yeah, it's tied in with conspiracism about the World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab that's based on the standard global elite antisemitism
- Beans, it's always beans
  
  Came here to say this. Don’t be weirdos trying everything to eat new animals, and eat some BEANS immediately
  
  I mean, I mostly agree, beans and legumes are very, very practical...
  But ... beans and bugs?
  Variety is the spice of life?
  Maybe there is some kind of way to process crickets or ants into basically... 'meat' patties, ala impossible burgers or what not?
  
  Do you really think they'd taste better than just eating an impossible burger though?
- You nailed this one
  
  lol oh my god it is still ongoing after my comment ahahah!
  
  You won
- All plants are good protein sources, and you probably don't need as much protein as you think. The most sustainable plants are grown on a local farm. Investing in a CSA share makes it more economically sustainable for both the farmers and consumers. The most cost effective is probably something gross and drowning in pesticides (not sustainable).
  
  Ah see, this is the problem though.
  I agree with all you've said.
  But... CSA won't feed 8 billion people.
  Full stop, it won't.
  Not without a magically generated total overthrow and reworking of world capitalism as it exists, toward some kind of eco based localized socialsm or something... yep, it would be nice if that would happen, but magical thinking is dumb.
  So, that can't be the generalized proposed framework for the future, unless you're just fine with a few billion people starving to death.
  Bugs though?
  Might be a more cost effective solution for protein that can actually work at scale, allow CSA to focus on the healthier and more sustsinable plants, and bugs as a protein source would probably be a hell of a lot less resource intensive and more sustainable than... our current level of cows, chickens, pigs, etc.
  We use so much farmland to grow food for pigs cows chickens.
  We could probably use a lot less farmland if that went to feeding crickets or something, and then use the saved farmland for healthier vegetables.
  At least, this is my rough and broad understanding/idea.
- but insects are less efficient than just growing protein-rich crops, it makes way way more sense to just stop feeding our crops to livestock and instead turning it into seitan and TVP
  plus, both of those products are effectively just a strange kind of meat, if you serve someone bolognese without telling them it's made with seitan they absolutely will not notice the difference.
  
  Please do tell me more about seitan and TVP.
  Or, rather, I will have to look into these more on my own at some point.
  
  i mean there's not much to it, they're both protein extracted from plants in some way.
  the only real difference to meat is slightly different texture and lack of innate flavour, so you need to either serve with something else flavourful or marinate it first.
- I'm gonna be honest I'm not eating ze bugs
  
  Fair enough lol.

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