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"log in" and "sign up" buttons

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this is a rant about microsoft
how on the fucking earth are you the biggest company and have hands down the worst login imaginable. you know for a fact people have multiple accounts for your platform, it's incredibly common to have a work specific micorosoft account after all. AND YET you lock in a specific email for login??? and you don't even put a bloody "i'd like to log in with a different email"???? oh there's a "use a different login method" button it's all okay right? wrong that button still doesn't let you change the login email! but now you can log in with a code sent to it :).
what if that """""convenience"""" you're trying to give people by checks notes, not including an incredibly common button that takes you to the default login page without a specific email baked into it, is actually an impossible pain in the ass? what if that email is someone else's and then just hit the "remember me" out of habit? go fuck yourself :). go into the browser setting and manually delete the cookies or if you can't or don't know how to do that then just fuck yourself :)
not to even fucking mention how if you try to log into teams desktop client app that info is going to get fucking applied to the entire windows account??? without asking about it clearly either it just fucking does that! it just fucking links to your local account instsntly
who asked for that microsoft? what deranged motherfucker in your board of directors came in high off his tits and uttered the cursed phrases needed for those feature to fucking exist?
and is that guy the only one allowed to speak? the only who's vocabulary extends past "great idea! let's do that"?
how is your user account management worse and more annoying than any virus i had?
i literally just needed to log in to someone's account once, for an hour, to substitute for them in one call. and that silly little action has taken fucking hours to undo, and all done with force "how to delete someone else's email from microsoft login"? delete your fucking cookies or team cache. "how to unlink a microsoft account from windows"? don't forget to input your pc password! dw about how we didn't ask for it when we just linked it to your local account, you need it now :) oh and unlinking isn't removing, you gotta do that one too!
there has been genuinely nothing else in the past decade that has made me more frustrated, more fucking seething with anger, than dealing with the fallout of needing to use someone else's microsoft account for an hour
- This makes me really value the effort I put into learning Linux.
  Lucky for me I don't need to use Windoze for work either.
- i literally just needed to log in to someone's account once, for an hour, to substitute for them in one call.
  I get your frustration, but that's a fucking awful choice for a whole bunch of reasons, not only because of Microsoft's bullshit. You really buried the lede.
  Don't share accounts people!
  Have them forward you the meeting invite or reach out to the organizer to call you instead.
  And if you fucking insist on logging into someone else's account again, use Private Browsing mode and the web client of Teams to keep it from touching the rest of the machine. It works fine for audio and video calls.
  At any place with a half decent security policy you'd be looking at disciplinary action. At certain workplaces this would be an immediate firing.
  
  I have Microsoft accounts for work, my admin credentials at work, my side gig, and my personal. You can not share passwords and still be incredibly frustrated at Microsoft's stupid refusal to put a "Switch User" link on the login form which autopopulates based on cookies. Otherwise I gotta go find a Microsoft page, log in, log OUT, and then go try my original log in again. This is painful if you're constantly switching accounts, as Zero Trust requires admins to do.
  
  I'm familiar, and I said nothing about any of that other than that I understood the frustration.
  That's also not the situation of the person I replied to. They thought the correct way to sub for someone in a meeting was to share credentials and log in as the other person.
  I was calling out that absymally bad idea, and providing a work around.
  To your point, you also shouldn't be mixing use cases of your devices. You don't want to end up in some legal shit, or in a data exfiltration investigation.
  My personal desktop (and personal laptop when I still used one besides my work one) was a local account, signed into my personal Microsoft account via the browser. That could also work directly signed into the personal account instead of using a local account.
  All work stuff stays on work provided hardware, or on a VM. I even spin up a light VM to just open a VPN session so I can remote into work resources. If I had multiple gigs, I'd make separate VMs for them. Personal Microsoft account never fucking touches these.
  For elevated access accounts for work: separate browser, separate browser profile, or private browsing mode. Most admin work in Entra is through web portals (or Powershell).
  I still can end up with minor issues from stuff like needing to use my admin Entra/Azure account to log into the Microsoft Graph Powershell module, so I end up with two entries in the Entra logon page on the work devices sometimes, but I just select the correct account if I get prompted. If it doesn't, logout of that specific system/program and select the correct account (which I'm logged into the work machine as). Loss of a few seconds, not this massive issue.
  
  I've never seen someone defend Microsoft's stupid decisionmaking so hard.
  
  For fucks sake. Where did I do anything to defend this shit?
  I said I understood the guy's frustration, called out a bad choice, and offered alternatives.
  Then I explained that I did that, and offered more alternative solutions to work around the issue.
  How the fuck do you see that much work to keep identities separate and get "I <3 Microsoft"?
  
  it wasn't my idea, it was the only option prodivded to me. i didn't have a work email there yet as i just started working, and it's work with children - seeing their teachers name pop up and then someone introducting themselves as a substitute is fine, but seeing some guy join in with a random email and name you never heard of would be alarming to the parents
  
  you also shouldn’t be mixing use cases of your devices
  All work stuff stays on work provided hardware, or on a VM.
  Are you, like, new to the concept of real life?
  Those are laudable idealist propositions. That not even high security global corporations always follow to a tee. Some places refuse to provide hardware, demand work account stuff configured in personal devices, and still go out of their way to ban VMs and VPNs. Sometimes you are lucky if the intranet has a reverse proxy.
  
  Usually "you might have to adapt this shit to your personal situation" is implied.
  
  it was a work account used exclusively for teams for online lectures, there was nothing of interest on it, i checked lol, i'm nosy
  it was during a time when i was just substituting so i didn't have my own work email, and i ain't joining with my personal one when i need to be professional. after the bullshit with that account getting linked to my local system account i indeed used teams in the browser, i just didn't anticipate microsoft bullshit vol. 2 to hit me months later when i tried to log into my minecraft account and couldn't because my coworkers email got baked into it! but now i know i guess
- Do you want to save this account for future login?
  
  aAaAAAAAAAA
- This is is why you should use incognito/InPrivate mode when using Microsoft sites. It will always give the full login prompt.
  The real frustrating thing is when you have a personal account and a work account under the same email address... Separating those two is a massive pain.
  
  well yeah now i know that, the maddening part is that with any other platform what i tried doing at first wouldn't be an issue, log in, do the thing, log out, never think of it again. but nooooo, microsoft has to be special
  
  Yep. One of the many reasons why this lifelong Windows user is not going to 11.
  
  I ended up using chrome and a bunch of profiles. My taskbar has now five different chrome icons, each with a different profile, all to keep the different systems and logins for the different clients separate.
- My favourite part of Microsoft login experience:
  Me: "Hi, I'd like to set up 2FA."
  MS: "Sure, you can use Microsoft Authenticator on Android."
  Me: "A separate app? (Grumble) Okay then."
  (A few years go by. I get asked to do 2FA absolutely zero times.)
  Me: "...Damn, this 2FA settings page is hard to find. What happened to the app? It's no longer in Google Play."
  MS: "What app?"
  Me: "I believe it was called Microsoft Authenticator?"
  MS: "Oh that app! It's long obsolete. Don't worry about it. You can now just use your favourite TOTP app."
  Me: "Sweet! Let's set up Aegis."
  (Several years go by and Microsoft still hasn't asked me to use 2FA for any fucking thing)
- This is how I got used to using different browser profiles. I’ll even open up a guest profile on a browser rather than just swap MS login for a few hours.

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