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Protests Break Out as Ukraine Defangs Anticorruption Agency

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hard to take any Ukraine-critical news seriously these days.
- Why, because the 3+ years of Western propaganda is collapsing now?
  
  bc of organized disinformation campaign to kill their people and steal their land
  
  This is about Ukraine, not Palestine.
  
  They are not a brainwashed pro-NATO dronie that keeps going 'everybody who contradicts the people that say, "Iraq has WMDs" must be spreading disinformation!' Seems like you think that everybody who doesn't buy your propaganda is Russian for some reason.
  
  The irony of these people who are just utterly saturated by western imperialist propaganda (which they refuse to acknowledge) while calling everything even slightly critical of the NATO narrative "rUsSiAn DiSiNfOrMaTiOn" will never cease to amaze and disappoint me.
  
  Did Putin actually invade Ukraine?
  
  so Putin is right to destroy Ukraine?
  
  Ukraine has refused to negotiate peace repeatedly, which would have avoided the destruction.
  Also, you seem fine with NATO having invaded Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Palestine, etc., with Ukraine participating in at least the invasions of Iraq and Syria, so it's incredibly silly of you to go 'but what about the destruction?' You are literally supporting the most prolific invader in the world.
  Post-coup Ukraine decided to bring NATO's weapons and soldiers to the border of Russia's most populated parts. The rest of the world (including Russia) has every right to defend itself from your vile empire.
  
  I may not actually know this, how did they not negotiate that justifies being invaded by Russia?
  I might've honestly missed something.
  
  If you do not know about the two Minsk treaties, and what caused them to break down, then you really ought to research those before making any claims about the conflict.
  
  how did they not negotiate
  What do you mean? Are you actually not aware of the Ukrainian state to continue the bloodshed, including since the escalation of 2022?
  that justifies being invaded by Russia?
  The most prolific invader force in the world - NATO - decides to amass weapons and military personnel on its target's most important border (due to the fact that the most populated parts of Russia are located close to it). How should NATO's target respond to defend itself?
  
  Rascist
  
  Oh buddy, the organized disinformation campaign about Ukraine has been on the part of the US and has been going on since at least 2008. You're just finally seeing it unravel and you're disoriented.
  
  so they should be Russia?
  
  The Eastern provinces that the neonazi-led Ukrainian government was ethnically cleansing, and who had been asking for Russia's help (and to join Russia) since long before February of of 2022? Yes. Yes, they should be Russia.
  
  Reporter: [REDACTED]
  Reason: propaganda (rule 3 violation) Not sure if you enforce this in comments, but reporting just in case. Might want to clarify if you don't.
  This is not propaganda, reporter.
  The Conversation, Mar. 2014: Crimea votes to secede from Ukraine as EU considers sanctions against Russia
  Al Jazeera, May 2014: Ukraine separatists declare independence
  Both Donetsk and Luhansk said the Ukraine presidential election on May 25 would not be held in the newly independent regions […]
   
  
  Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
  Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
  Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
  BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
  Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
  Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
  The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
  The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
  WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
  Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
  The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
  openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
  Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
  Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
  Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
  NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
  
  Appreciate the informative list of links! (Very common u/davel W).
  Also lol at my comment being reported to mods as propaganda for stating a simple, verifiable fact. Always funny how the dronies think it's "propaganda" just for going against what they want to believe even when their beloved western sources reported on it back before it became no-no to do so. (A NATO No-No, if you will). I'd ask what instance the [redacted] reporter was from, but I guess that might give away exactly who it was.
  
  The Russiagate hoax has a second purpose aside from smearing Trump. It’s to train people that anything anyone says that goes against the imperial core is a “[gepolitical enemy] talking point” and therefore fake news. It’s a “guilty by association” con, much like McCarthyism.
  Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud
  The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
  Matt Orfalea: 📺 MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
  
  Is Zelenski Jewish?
  
  Yes, and Hitler didn't meet the criteria for high blooded Aryan. The idea thata Jewish president couldn't possibly support neo-Nazis flies directly in the face of the actual documented and oft-reported evidence
  
  bc of organized disinformation campaign to kill their people and steal their land
  Yeah, NATO truly is evil like that. Fortunately Russia is liberating town after town on the daily now.
  
  Komrade
  It's incredible that the most Russia obsessed shitlibs are inevitably the only people so monumentally ignorant about it that they don't know the difference between the USSR and the Russian Federation
  
  Could you cite your source that WSJ is part of an organised disinformation campaign to kill Ukrainians?
- Are you not taking it seriously as in you dont believe its happening, or not taking it seriously as in you don't believe its a big deal?
  
  the ladder bc they are being murdered out of existence by Russia ; whom has full-time disinformation teams for all its enemies.
  
  Russia is both broke and about to collapse, and has the budget for full-time disinformation teams for all its enemies.
  
  But the two arent connected. If anything having a competent and powerful anti corruption investigative tool would help them fight Russia given the problems with corruption faced by the Ukranian military. Like do you think the Russians have every news agency in the west questioning this by the balls so they'll say that making an corruption agency less independent is bad?
  
  yeah, that's mostly fair. But why would it matter if Putin destroys the entire country?
  It's a matter of false equivalency of importance.
  But yeah, agree its not a good move for Ukrainian gov.
  
  Russia has neither desire nor capacity to hold ukranian speaking regions.
  Why would Putin or his sucessor willingly sign up for a neverending domestic terrorism problem for nothing in return?
  Even if you believe that the ideological motivation is false, and the invasion is purely for resources, all of the valuable minerals are in regions that already speak RU and have invited the little green men to assist.
  Arable land is something RU has a LOT of. Why would they sign up for a permanent counterinsurgency program for a <2% gain in farmland which will require extensive de-mining before it can be used for anything productive?
  
  Source?

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