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For as long as I live, I will never forget that the whole world watched Israel starve 2 million innocent people in Gaza, killing children on a daily basis and did nothing to stop it, even worse,

cross-posted from: https://freefree.ps/users/faab64/statuses/114885039540867898

For as long as I live, I will never forget that the whole world watched Israel starve 2 million innocent people in Gaza, killing children on a daily basis and did nothing to stop it, even worse, punished those trying to end it and helped, funded, protected and armed the genocidal regime of Netanyahu.
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USA is heavily involved due to Christians
Islam countries do nothing, Islamists want Palestinians to perish, they don't want to let refugees from Palestine
There is no uprising to destroy Hamas
What can anyone do if Israel have support of most powerful country in the world - USA
- Wild when you know lots of Palestine is Christian and has some of the oldest churches in the world...that are now rubble
- Christians is not the reason USA is involved. I would have said it's because Israel is a militarily valuable position to have in the middle-east.
  
  It can be both things, the death cult can't have their rapture without Israel.
  
  I really never understood this. I've tried grilling them on it but I can never get a straight answer. See Israel already exists, so that element of the prophecy already has a check mark. The next part is that all the nations go to war against Israel, which at this point would be reasonable progression of events. Now if they are trying to progress the timeline then Israel being under attack would progress the timeline. BTW, all the nations would include the US. So if anything you'd think they'd support the US attacking Israel.
  So they need to not progress the timeline to protect the timeline that they need to happen that should happen independent of any will they exert? And they are still trying their darndest to exert will anyway, in the exact opposite direction of the next thing?
  I have a different, somewhat conspiratorial theory. There are a lot of bought and paid for pastors that say whatever works best for Israel. Crazy thought. But did you know that Israel pays for trips to Israel for these people even though they don't want Christianity there. I hear these trips are first class. Mike Huckabee says he's done the trip they offer multiple times. He wonders if other people have tried "the trip" yet.
  I would really love for someone to make the "protect Israel to have the rapture" thing make sense to me. I genuinely want to get it. Understanding other people's ideas is important to me. But man, I'm fucking lost.
  
  Are you referring to Hamas here?
  
  ...israel's long-term strategic campaign of zionist lobbying and mossad kompromat are why USA political support remains unwavering...if the epstein records are ever fully released, israel stands to lose mighty leverage across the political spectrum in so many governments...
  
  I wonder. They are claiming the Epstein list doesn't exist. Maybe what we have isn't organized as a single list but are just lots of names over a lot of different documents. But you know who really has a proper list? Israel has the list. It's reasonable to ask Trump for the list. It's reasonable to demand it. But we could also ask the people who certainly have it.
  This is the other reason why congress voted to block it. Not only are a lot of them on it. But some of them rose to power more recently and couldn't be. But it would still reduce Israel's leverage over the US. And it's congress's job to protect the interest of their boss.
  Does our view of J6 change with time? Shocking that people attacked congress. But you do know they don't work for you. Maybe their motives weren't good. But the shock, gasp, they attacked... congress. Honestly I don't give a fuck about that part.
  That's not fed posting. I just don't give a fuck about something. I'm allowed to not care about things.
  
  Batpoo insane Christians and politicians. One is a tool, the other leverages it.
  
  Yep. Before the creation of Israel, actual state-led military incursions from muslim countries to Europe happened all the time. After the creation of Israel, none have happened so far (unless you count terrorism or believe the bs right-wing population change theories).
  In cold geopolitical terms, huge success for Europe. Not sure what the value is to USA, perhaps a projection of power to oil-rich countries.
  
  interesting perspective
  Also technological boost in military capabilities mean that any European military would steamroll over any Islam Country.
- We have the Scofield Bible to blame. Remember that Christians did the whole Spanish Inquisition thing and Martin Luther called for the expulsion of Jews from Europe. If supporting Israel because Jews exist there was theologically consistent with Christianity then neither of those things would have happened. But the Scofield bible rewrote parts of the Bible to promote Christian Zionism and was popularized particularly in the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scofield_Reference_Bible
  Israeli spokesmen responsible for messaging the United States still quote it. Bibi says: "God will bless those who bless us [Zionist Israel]." In reality the Bible used the non-plural you referring to Abraham the individual person, who was alive 4000 years ago.
  Meanwhile Jesus himself said to modern Israel's progenitors, who were also political zionists, "Say not that you are sons of Abraham, for if you were you would do the works of your father. But you do the works of your father, who is Satan."
  Basically if you are a modern Christian who supports Israel you are a fucking removed who can't read. The clergy of older Christianity could read. That's why they didn't think their post-judiaism religion demanded they worship any Jews with the exception of Jesus.
  
  All the English translations are wrong, because Greeks and Romans translated wrong, sometimes by honest mistake, often for political reasons, whether institutional or governmental, often both in tandem.
  
  Well that's an extremely fair point to make. Point is the Bible was re-written again, (maybe you have a better idea of the total rewrite count), to spread Zionist propaganda and was propagated through the US in particular.
  Fun fact. Even Isaac Newton was able to find ways in which the Bible was surreptitiously altered. So this is a bit of a problem in general. People have been altering the Bible to meet political ends for a while.
  In the case of the bit we have Bibi quoting we have the Jewish version to reference and their own version uses a singular you, but Bibi found the Scofield version to be convenient. Crazy how this guy knows more about translation variance in Christian versions of the Old Testament better than most Christians do. It's almost like this guy made it his job to communicate to Christians and get them to support him.
  
  Zionism didn't exist during Constantine's time. The father of Zionism, Herzl, was an antisemitic atheist. But Balfour signed the Agreement and Truman recognized Israel.
  Yes to meet political ends. If there was one man who was literal Jesus, rather than legendary or an amalgamation of men, then he was crucified for being a threat to a rather comfortable occupation of Israel by the Romans, on trumped up religious charges. Same as chattel slaves and abolitionists. The modern global West is using both methods, Europe and the UK by criminalizing condemnation of illegal occupation and genocide, US with that coupled with discrimination against Christians. But only certain ones.
  Nathaniel Hawthorne wrote about it in The Scarlet Letter, and Young Goodman Brown. Not that his ideas were perfect, but were rather advanced for his time.
  
  It's interesting that Zionists today will say that any criticism of Zionism is anti-semitism when Zionism, according to you was invented by an anti-Semite. So I guess it's actually Zionism that is anti-Semitic? The only think I don't buy about that is maybe he was the father of modern-Zionism, but movements for anti-diaspora have always existed among the Jewish people.
  I did some quick reading. I'm not buying that he was an anti-semite considering it was the anti-semitism surrounding the Drayfus affair and the rise of an anti-semite Karl Lueger which motivated his views on Zionism. I see some reference that some have argued that his attack of Jewish people who disagree with his position as not being good Jews as being anti-semetic. But I don't think that's fair. Everyone argues what constitutes a good American or bad American or this or the other. Me saying that good Americans should oppose drug laws because freedom, if I were called anti-American for having an argument of what would be a good American position I don't think that would be fair. I've interestingly seen Zionists today call Jewish people who aren't anti-semitic which is a bit funny. I guess both sides have a history of calling either side anti-semetic even though both sides are Jewish. Probably not fair in either case and really just a pejorative.
  Who said anything about Constantine. I referenced Jesus. Well before Constantine. Zionism and the want for Jewish control of the region and anti-diaspora absolutely existed in Jesus's time. Jesus absolutely did not hate all Jews, considering he was one, almost all of his friends were Jewish, and we have no reference to his opinion of Jewish people in other regions. He seemed to have a deep care for the common people among the Jewish of that region. But when it came to the people who were politically Zionist living in Israel (or its political equivalent of the time) he consistently only ever had petty mean words to say. And that's coming from kind as a butterfly Jesus. He literally called them the spawn of Satan. Whether Jesus existed or not the point is that reading the words of that real or non-real person as provided from the Bible, as you would expect a Christian to do, it would be very odd to infer a religious responsibility toward Zionism.
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzl%27s_Mauschel_and_Zionist_antisemitism
  I recently was involved in a similar discussion and said maybe he was elitist and antisemitism was a cover. Palestinian people are genetically Semites though.
  
  Yeah. When you bring up that Palestinians are Semites you open up a fair can of worms for how non-nonsensical these labels are in general. It's almost better not to think about it and just accept the semantic meaning. My gosh we shouldn't get into Ashkenazi genetic admixture, and how ironic it is that a predominately ethnically-Germanic, among many other things higher on the ingredient list than ancient Hebrew, are calling Palestinians antisemetic. The poor relation of these words to actual reality is almost better to not think about. Everyone knows what's meant by today's backward verbiage.
  Interesting article.
  Yeah, a bunch of Europeans colonized Israel and are calling the Semitic inhabitants antisemitic.
  
  I think we should get into it. Often. But not right now, I have something to do.
- https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/25360/what-is-the-difference-between-islamist-and-muslim
  Yeman and Iran beg to differ.

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