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  • Taxes are fine but there are more effective ways.

    • Remove vending machines which provide this drug 24/7
    • move dispensary to drug stores
    • put BIG warning labels on packages and every single cigarette
    • prohibit smoking in ALL public spaces
    • prohibit smoking while driving
    • prohibit smoking while near vulnerable groups (kids, pregnant women, ill) even at home
    • put quit smoking programs onto every package
    • put even more money into prevention

    • put BIG warning labels on packages and every single cigarette

      already done, even with images of lung cancer, addicted people don't care and kids think it's "cool" and "taboo"

      put quit smoking programs onto every package

      same as above.

      • prohibit smoking in ALL public spaces
      • prohibit smoking while driving
      • prohibit smoking while near vulnerable groups (kids, pregnant women, ill) even at home

      how are you going to catch them? who is gonna enforce the law, the chain smoker cop? you directly, going against an highly aggressive person who's in the middle of nicotine withdrawal?

      Remove vending machines which provide this drug 24/7

      • move dispensary to drug stores

      i mean sure it cooould teeechnically work

      a bit of an unpopular opinion, but as someone who almost chokes on second hand smoke, i'd personally say just fuck it and outlaw cigarettes and vapes entirely, they're durgs after all, no? (this might open up another discussion about legalizing drugs, but whatever. Also shrooms and LSD don't stink up the whole place and actually have fun effects unlike cigs)

      • already done, even with images of lung cancer, addicted people don’t care and kids think it’s “cool” and “taboo”

        They're effective.

        The effectiveness of tobacco warning labels has been studied extensively over the past 50 years, and research shows that they are generally effective in changing smoking attitudes and behaviors.[3][4][5] A 2009 science review determined that there is "clear evidence that tobacco package health warnings increase consumers' knowledge about the health consequences of tobacco use". The warning messages "contribute to changing consumers' attitudes towards tobacco use as well as changing consumers' behavior".[6]

        same as above.

        Haven't seen them here in Austria/Germany. Also if you do that put websites not phone numbers there.

        how are you going to catch them? who is gonna enforce the law, the chain smoker cop? you directly, going against an highly aggressive person who’s in the middle of nicotine withdrawal?

        I mean I can still drive faster then allowed if nobody is watching. Should we stop enforcing speed limits because of that?

        i’d personally say just fuck it and outlaw cigarettes and vapes entirely, they’re durgs after all, no?

        It's way to ingrained into society to be outlawed completely.

        I'm for controlled legalization of ALL drugs but keep them highly regulated. Drugs that directly harm others, like smoking should only be allowed in very specific locations like at home.

  • Semi related: I learned recently that there's no tobacco tax on raw tobacco in the EU. You can buy whole leaves online for like 10€/kg and then turn them into rolling tobacco or snus or snuff or whatever. No additives unless you put them in yourself and you can blend different strains to your personal taste (not that I'm advocating for it but you know, if you're a tobacco user anyway). It's not that difficult to do either, plenty of tutorials on youtube.

  • At a certain point it just becomes an additional poor person tax.

    Tax it enough to offset the additional healthcare costs. Enact strict laws on where and when you may smoke, but not so strict it becomes impossible for a smoker to smoke. Then be done.

    I don't think there's a person on earth who doesn't know it's bad for you. This punitive tax increase after increase is just making people miserable for no reason other than so legislators have something to point at to justify their salaries.

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