US Court strikes down most of Trump's tariffs, ruling them illegal - Canada (and other) tariffs set to end in 10 days.
Court strikes down most of Trump's tariffs, ruling them illegal
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I'm assuming we're going to drop some of our relatiatory tarrifs then. Really hoping we don't. Fuck 'em.
There's an appeal plan, and it's possible that they try to keep the tariffs during appeal process. That the US hates Canada hasn't changed.
Oh trust me, the feeling is mutual. Part of me has been glad that the US has been pulling this shit because it has put every other Canadian on the same page as me. That the United States (as an institution, not individual Americans) is an outright threat to our sovereignty, meddle in too many peoples business, take advantage of us and the rest of the world and is generally the scum of the western earth.
That the US hates Canada hasn’t changed.
This is just total nonsense, like most of the garbage that you post here. Talk to Americans - they're embarrassed by how their government is treating Canada. We're close allies and our biggest trading partners. There is no animosity between our peoples and the only ones who say there is are our enemies trying to seed division.
(This guy runs a Russian propaganda sub on Lemmy.ca, check his history.)
Your comment fits into your low effort Russian astroturing campaign where everybody in the west is bad and hates each other and Russia is good and should be allowed to invade anyone they want. Fuck off.
Talk to Americans - they’re embarrassed by how their government is treating Canada
Maybe they shouldn't have voted for the guy that treated us exactly the same last time, then.
America, as a country, is a fascist state, and an international bully, and has been for a long time. The USA is what a fascist representative democracy looks like, and Americans should remain embarrassed by their country until they come to terms with that and fix it.
Alright that's a fair take
I agree with you about what Americans think. However, Canada must deal with the United States as a single entity. At the moment, the United States is acting as an enemy. Until that changes, how some Americans think about it is not what matters.
Overly simplistic take. We don't deal with America as a single entity at all. Look at our tariff responses and the way we target specific Republican states.
I'm not saying you need to go out and spend all your money in the US, but let's not catastrophise here or play it up more than it is. I don't think American voters genuinely understood or expected most of what they're getting right now (even if they deserve it).
I don't think American voters genuinely understood or expected most of what they're getting right now
Everyone who saw how trump behaved the first time Trump was president has no valid claim to that excuse.
Anyone who listened to anything Trump said during the campaign has no valid claim to that excuse.
First of all, how were the “specific Republican states” chosen as targets by Canada? Are these the states where data shows the greatest malice for Canada to be focussed? Is Canada trying to target individuals in fairness. No, it has nothing to do with that.
The retaliatory tariffs are chosen to cause pain in the US without too much pain for Canadians (where Canadians can easily find substitutes). Mostly, they were chosen in the hopes that the individual States will apply pressure on the US administration to change policy. In other words, the most effective tariff targets will be States that actually like Canada and hope federal tariffs get dropped but where Canada can do immediate economic harm too. It is not Canada targeting only the bad guys like you seem to be implying. Do we target individual States to drive changes in their individual policy? No. Talk about an “overly simplistic take”.
Trump did not win because of his popularity. He won with the support of 31% of the voters. It is largely a story of people not bothering to show up to stop him.
So, while I do not vilify any particular individual American and do claim to know their mind, I also don’t have a lot of sympathy for the “it is not the people” talk either. This shit has a real impact in my world and 2 out 3 Americans are directly implicated in the result. As a group, they are absolutely culpable.
In addition, saying “people did not understand” is a weak argument. Trump was pretty vocal and explicit. At best, this is just a “I could not be bothered” argument. I could not be bothered to be informed means “I could not be bothered to defend my democracy”. Not a great defence.
But that is not even what matters. What matters is that they are, collectively, attacking me and mine. I am supposed to ignore that?
If you go to war and you find yourself engaged with enemy troops, you do not pause to consider the possible philosophical positions of each individual enemy soldier. The opposing military is either at war with you or it isn’t. It is attacking you or it is not. It does not matter if it is composed of hundreds of thousands of human beings. You need to treat it as a singular entity with the strategic, tactical, and policy goals of the leadership. You do not choose targets based on the ideology of the people being targeted. You choose targets that do damage to the enemy, to apply leverage against them in the hopes of driving them to capitulation. This is not some sort of “simplistic take”. I am not writing an academic paper identifying underlying causes. I am defending against aggression. A real attack. One with consequences.
Many of my friends in America do not like Trump and did not vote for them. That is nice. They can come visit me and some have. Good people. That does nothing to protect me from the government that acts in their name. So, I will absolutely boycott and act in opposition to their economy and their county at every opportunity. If the administration changes or radically changes their current policy of aggression, my position could change. Until then, it is not that complicated.
Should I let my country fall to the invaders because some of them might not agree with the invasion? In my view, that would be the truly naive position.
Talk to Americans - they’re embarrassed by how their government is treating Canada.
The US political rulership, including retired UAW workers, is largely supportive of Trump's unjustified attack on Canada. There was a timid non-binding resolution in Senate, but there is no mass protest, or passionate vocal condemnation, of Trump/US attack on Canada. Instead, the poltical establishment recommendation is that the US needs to leverage its traditional soft power subjugation of its colonies that corrupts our democracy into unanimous subservience, and has historically been so successful, but that political establishment accepts a wait and see approach to Trump's extortion tactics.
Imminent US collapse is what elected Trump, and his confident grasping at straws that effectively accelerates collapse is beyond the intellectual capacity of the public to understand its counterproductiveness. Stealing from allies economies will sell well to morons who don't understand long term consequences, and potentially stave off collapse for a few years. Instead of grasping at straws of Russian mind control for hatred of immigrants and queers, understand the oil industry's lobbying and disinformation campaigns to inject cultural issues to preserve their dominance for a few years in the face of civilizational collapse. Understand also how war on Russia massively funded that lobbying/disinformation power in Canada and US during last election cycle. It will fund Alberta separation disunity as well.
Being anti-demonic warmongering lies and propaganda is not Pro Russia. Forcing Russia to defend itself, and use entire world's diesel refining capacity is forcing the collapse of civilization. It is always easy to prioritize demonic war over human sustainability, because of gullible and hateful people victimized by liars. Allying with a demonic US empire that has shown it hates us, at the relevant government/policy level, is contempt for humanity, not just Canada. That most Americans are polite enough to be likeable doesn't affect US policy.
How come half the time you write in broken English, and the other half with sweeping paragraphs of perfect English? But it always ends with Russian propaganda like the west is forcing Russia to defend itself by invading their peaceful neighbour, Ukraine. (I guess the irony of saying that in this particular thread is lost on you...)
in 2014, the US bragged spending $5B on Ukrainian coup, and installing nazi puppet rulership. That rulership immediately, as Ukrainian nazi did in Georgia, implemented apartheid laws and ethnic cleansing against Russian population that forced secessionist/autonomy movement. Russia spent 8 years pursuing peaceful resolution to nazi evil, that the west boasted as being a delay tactic to arm Ukraine sufficiently to provoke war. The war's objectives are to keep a nazified militarized NATO aspirant Ukraine, to diminish Russia to the last Ukrainian. To this day, no matter how dim the prospects, Ukrainian terrorist missile capability is cheered on and enhanced to prevent peace and territorial/people integrity.
That you describe reality as pro Russia is demonic hatred to perpetuate a losing war to no benefit to anyone but weapons and oil profit grifters. You are directly responsible for the breakdown in unity and democracy even if you are just gullible rather than a liar profiting from evil.
implemented apartheid laws and ethnic cleansing against Russian population that forced secessionist/autonomy movement.
Uuuh, gonna need some kind of proof on this one boss. AFAIK there's been 0 proof of any kind of ethnic cleansing. Source
I don't disagree that the US has been meddling in international affairs for a looooong time.
But I have yet to speak to any Ukrainians who disagree with the basic core facts that the war was started by Russian aggression and a desire for USSR levels of territory, and we've got nearly a dozen families sponsored over here in my community. Canada has historically had the highest level of Ukrainians outside of Ukraine, and its bizzare that you're trying to argue that Russia is the GOOD guy here. There is ample proof of their war crimes.
Bonus points if you can give me any examples of war where the side that is the defender was the bad guy/where aggression in order to violently control the political scene was viewed as a good thing. People routinely condemn the US for the very thing you're claiming Russia is doing.
been 0 proof of any kind of ethnic cleansing
At least 10000 killed through shelling and other nazi operations. Odessa massacre.
the war was started by Russian aggression and a desire for USSR levels of territory
Complete lie. Russia's terms for peace are about the same as to have not started the war. No NATO, demilitarized if they need hateful rulers, but preferably denazified with fair elections. Terms that were always going to end war immediately.
examples of war where the side that is the defender was the bad guy/where aggression in order to violently control the political scene was viewed as a good thing. People routinely condemn the US for the very thing you’re claiming Russia is doing.
War on Russia was 100% provoked by US puppeted Ukraine. JFK was allowed to set red lines on Cuban missiles. Your theory is that all bar fights are started by the one seen throwing the first punch.
Lol this is ridiculous.
To be clear, if you can't provide me sources from non-russian news, I'm not going to continue to engage.
least 10000 killed through shelling and other nazi operations Again, source. This is just saying "trust me bro, it's happening everywhere."
Odessa massacre. 2014 protests that non-american news agencies agree were escalated by pro-russian protestors?
Russia’s terms for peace are about the same as to have not started the war.
Nice of you to avoid mentioning one of the key points for disagreement - "Ukraine must ... withdraw all of its troops from the entirety of the territory of four Ukrainian regions claimed and mostly controlled by Russia.".
Ceding territory is the largest current sticking point for any peace agreement, and is in line with what I said above.
War on Russia was 100% provoked by US puppeted Ukraine
Just so that I'm clear, you're arguing that the wholesale invasion and slaughter of Ukrainians is the US's fault, not the Russian invaders?
Beyond that, I'd love to see any proof you have that of US coup/puppeting Ukraine. The only thing I've ever seen in " support" of this is that dumb ass interview with a state senator that's been edited to hell and back to make it sound like it was an official coup.
I'm no history buff, but arguing "they made me" during an invasion is always the argument of the aggressor. US vs Middle east for WMD was the same bullshit. China vs Taiwan is heading in the same direction. China used the same excuse during hong Kong protests. Israel is using the same excuse now for Palestinians.
2014 protests that non-american news agencies agree were escalated by pro-russian protestors?
There were uppity protesters, ok. They were overwhelmed and burned alive for their uppitiness. Nazi regime liked the result and felt no need to investigate or punish. Entire post 2014 Ukraine history is "those who protest nazi scum that hates Russians are subhuman and need to be exterminated." Utter joke of relying on revisionist pro nazi western and Ukrainian warmongering sources for reality.
“Ukraine must … withdraw all of its troops from the entirety of the territory of four Ukrainian regions claimed and mostly controlled by Russia.”.
The liberated regions of Ukraine voted to join Russia. Pro nazi west could reasonably negotiate Ukraine keeping its side of Dniepro river as long as it agrees to demilitarize Ukraine. Land is negotiable. Nazi hatred that stays militarized for purposes of perpetual terrorist attacks on Russia is not. Ceasefire for purposes of just building more fortifications and waiting for new arms shipments/production is not a productive purpose. Yes, Ukraine could have had far better terms if it had not provoked the war.
the wholesale invasion and slaughter of Ukrainians is the US’s fault, not the Russian invaders?
100%. Losing a war has no relationship to who started it, and the US/Ukaine nazi rulership position is $1 of damage to Russia is worth 1m Ukrainian lives. Russia spent 8 years attempting peaceful resolution. NATO refused all discussions on Russian security concerns, and proudly boasted that ignoring Russia resulted in the sucessful colonization of 2 new slaves.
proof you have that of US coup/puppeting Ukraine
Very easy to do your own research. Not debatable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs&pp=ygUPdWtyYWluZSBvbiBmaXJl
China used the same excuse during hong Kong protests.
Traitorous HK media mogul brainwashing "Love US values" was a clear shit disturber CIA asset intent on destabilization. That our media jumps on the CIA message opportunity to glorify destabilization is the inherent programing we are submitted to.