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Your guide to moving away from Gmail and finding a new email service!

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It’s a real shame about Proton. Seems like such a convenient ecosystem, but with the CEO’s idiotic position, and the fact the Swiss government can and has forced them to log your IP, that’s too fishy for me.
Also, none of the ones I checked take Monero, which seems like the only actually untraceable payment method. Cash by mail is pretty good but still too traceable, and other cryptos are just so idiotically easy to trace that you might as well use a bank transfer.
- I don't feel the need to be complete anonymous, like you. But I do know of a group of people, who made an arrangement for 1 person to pay for all services they use online. There's no real trail to any other than the one person. It works quite well for them, and they pay this person in cash...
- i mean if you assume he meant it
  
  Is there really a reason to believe he did not ?
  
  yes if you decide to inform yourself on actual information aka his social profiles and what he actually said and not some terminally online user's paragraph on reddit
  
  i just think its rational to lie and cheat and kiss ass and bribe to actually defend encryption and digital privacy rather than try and win brownie points from twitter by #resist 'ing online.
  i mean lord knows the orange man is easy to trick and bribe. 400m got qatar in the door and then convinced him to abandon israel lol. even less to screw over ukraine.
- You should use a VPN anyway if you're that worried about your Email provider knowing your IP.
  
  I do ! But to be clear, since Proton can be asked to log your IP, you must use a VPN to even sign up for Proton itself in the first place to prevent them from ever knowing your real IP.
  So being fully anonymous on Proton is pretty circuitous.
  Buy Monero with real money
  Sign up to Mullvad, which truly doesn’t log your IP
  Change some of the Monero for bitcoin
  Sign up for Proton while using Mullvad, pay with the Bitcoin
  
  I was under the impression that only specifically protonMAIL logs your IP because of specific laws targeting mail providers while ProtonVPN is not required to.
  https://protonvpn.com/support/no-logs-vpn/
  " We don’t log which websites you visit We don’t log your traffic or the content of any communications We don’t log your IP address We don’t log your session lengths We don’t log or track any location-based information "
  And that while the same applies by DEFAULT by all of their products
  https://proton.me/legal/privacy
  "2.5 IP logging: By default, we do not keep permanent IP logs in relation with your Account."
  They can't definitively say they don't log IP as they are legally required to log AFTER a valid court order from the swiss government demanding them to log and release for a specific person/account in accordance with the swiss Criminal Procedure Code article 269 as ProtonMAIL is considered a telecommunications platform
  https://www.swissrights.ch/gesetze/Artikel-269-StPO-2023-EN.php
  "The public prosecutor may arrange for post and telecommunications to be monitored if: a. there is a strong suspicion that an offence listed in paragraph 2 has been committed; b. the seriousness of the offence justifies surveillance; and c. investigative activities carried out so far have been unsuccessful or the enquiries would otherwise have no prospect of success or be made unreasonably complicated."
  If I'm wrong on this please correct me but this is my understanding and from the quick research I did to provide links and quotes it does still seems to be true to me.
  Bolded my personal input text to make it more easily distinguishable

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