The wonderful world of Linux package managers
The wonderful world of Linux package managers
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using apt (nala) and deb, forever. Ban flatpak/snap.
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Flatpak is actually a really good solution. Snap is garbage though.
I do a combination of Flatpak for niche 3rd party applications and apt on Debian for standard stuff that everyone wants/needs.
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My biggest gripe with flatpak is the fact it isn't sandboxed properly by default.
I'm not referring to vendor-given privileges. Every flatpak, unless explicitly ran with the --sandbox option, has a hole in the sandbox to communicate with the portal. Even if you try to use flatseal to disallow it, it will still be silently allowed.
This leads to a false sense of security. A notable issue I found is if you disallow network access to a flatpak, it can still talk to the portal and tell it to open a link in your browser. This allows it to communicate back to a server through your browser even though you disallowed it. Very terrible.
Security should to be dead easy and difficult to mess up. The countless threads I've read on flatpak tell me the communication about flatpak's actual security has been quite terrible, and so it doesn't fit this category.
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Same. I like it that I can install Librewolf and some other software on Mint from Flathub instead of adding some obscure repositories with commands I don't even understand.
Like with docker, this isn't healthy:
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# Add Docker's official GPG key: sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install ca-certificates curl sudo install -m 0755 -d /etc/apt/keyrings sudo curl -fsSL https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/gpg -o /etc/apt/keyrings/docker.asc sudo chmod a+r /etc/apt/keyrings/docker.asc # Add the repository to Apt sources: echo \ "deb [arch=$(dpkg --print-architecture) signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/docker.asc] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu \ $(. /etc/os-release && echo "${UBUNTU_CODENAME:-$VERSION_CODENAME}") stable" | \ sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list > /dev/null sudo apt-get update-
adding some obscure repositories with commands I don’t even understand.
You may want to learn the commands and review the repos.
this isn’t healthy:
True, but not in a way that SnapPakImage is going to fix.
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this isn’t healthy:
True, but not in a way that SnapPakImage is going to fix.
What about that isn't "healty"?
You are basically downloading and saving the signing key of docker to the currently recommended place with appropriate permissions, and adding the docker deb-repository, explicitly stating that it should be signed by that particular key.
If you don't trust docker, don't add their repo. By the same logic, the Flathub repo is an "obscure repository" too.
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Be aware librewolf and all firefox based browser have security issues with flatpak because flatpak by forcing seccomp filtering breaks the internal sandbox of the browser:
https://librewolf.net/installation/linux/#security
Not to mention the librewolf flatpak is literary the portable tarball they release that works on your distro already, in other words it is the worst way possible to use librewolf.
And you only get that "ease of use" of being able to install it in the software store with one click because your distro did the pain of installing and configuring flatpak for you, otherwise it would have been much worse than what you posted.
Anyways, try using appman instead:
wget -q https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ivan-hc/AM/main/AM-INSTALLER && chmod a+x ./AM-INSTALLER && ./AM-INSTALLERAnd then:
appman -i librewolfwhich will "install" the AppImage and you can also sandbox it witham --sandbox librewolfand this sandbox does not break the internal sandbox of the browser unlike flatpak.
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No, FlatPak is centralization in the worst possible way, whilst also making software less usable.
It's a terrible thing and it dies to die swiftly.
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Can you clarify? I'm just getting back into Linux this year, what makes it more centralized than any other repo based packaging solution? How is using Ubuntu's deb repos on a thousand distros less centralized than flathub?
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System packages are always light but share the same dependencies with everything else which saves space. However, they don’t have any sandboxing, which makes them less secure than Flatpaks. It’s best to use those for simple programs.
Flatpaks are amazing because each Flatpak is sandboxed with its own dependencies, and if you already have the dependency on your device, it doesn’t download it again but clones it from your device to reduce bandwidth load. Flatpaks are a great fallback when system packages aren’t available because they’re compatible with all Linux distributions and I advise you use them primarily for any program that connects to the Internet as they’re more secure.
Snaps are worse Flatpaks lmao
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share the same dependencies with everything else which makes them insecure.
Absolutely unfounded.
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I’m not sure what exactly you’re calling unfounded but I did rephrase my statement to be more accurate. For further info I really suggest this video from The Linux Experiment. https://tilvids.com/w/7sKzyoAFK28UmhhZJ2B4hA
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