Google, Qualcomm will support 8 years of Android updates with latest chips
Google, Qualcomm will support 8 years of Android updates with latest chips
Qualcomm will offer OEMs the “ability to provide support for up to eight consecutive years of Android software and security updates.”
Qualcomm will offer OEMs the “ability to provide support for up to eight consecutive years of Android software and security updates.”
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Now will any company actually use this? It’s my biggest issue with android phones is so many of them just never get security updates
Google, despite having a track record of killing services, does have a good track record to keep their phone up-to-date. On the other hand, most other android OEMs stop frequent update after a year or two.
Their phones cost the same as iPhones with imo usually worse hardware which at least to me defeats the purpose.
EU is forcing some consumer friendly requirements from 20 June 2025 onwards which I imagine will give you a wider availability of models with five years of updates. Should give some incitement for the companies to join in.
https://energy-efficient-products.ec.europa.eu/product-list/smartphones-and-tablets_enEcodesign requirements will apply to mobile phones and tablets put on the EU market from 20 June 2025 onwards, including:
- resistance to accidental drops or scratches and protection from dust and water
- sufficiently durable batteries which can withstand at least 800 charge and discharge cycles while retaining at least 80% of their initial capacity
- rules on disassembly and repair, including obligations for producers to make critical spare parts available within 5-10 working days, and for 7 years after the end of sales of the product model on the EU market
- availability of operating system upgrades for longer periods (at least 5 years from the date of the end of placement on the market of the last unit of a product model)
- non-discriminatory access for professional repairers to any software or firmware needed for the replacement
It was the single biggest reason I switched to iPhone. Usually I was dying to upgrade after 2 years because the phones would start to suck. Then I got a Pixel 2 and it was great! But after 3 years it stopped getting updates even though the hardware still worked fine, and I looked over at my stepdaughter’s iPhone, which was 6 years old but still getting updates, could still get parts replaced at a local repair shop. It started to feel like that was the better value as flagship phones started costing $800+.
Apple don't guarantee software support but generally it's between 5-6 years of support, with some models going to 7. Samsung and Pixels now have a guaranteed 7 years, which in my book is even better than apple because it's a guarantee. And on top of that, it means that for pixels, you get 7 years of Graphene OS support!
Until Samsung (in particular) actually deliver on their stated promise, I’ll remain skeptical.
Especially as less than a year ago iFixIt had to terminate their relationship/agreement because Samsung failed to deliver on their promises to aid in end-user repairs.
For all their myriad of flaws, Apple at least has a proven track record of providing long term security and feature updates.
A solution is to use GrapheneOS, a privacy focused and security hardened android ROM. They support some very old phones (like some almost a decade old), and continue to support all google pixels going forward. With GrapheneOS you will continue to get security upgrades ported over for a lot longer, and the phone will run better than ever de-googled!
GrapheneOS kills support when Google kills security updates, I believe. Source: my Pixel 4a came out in 2020, and Graphene already strongly recommends against using it and dropped updates entirely a few months ago.
Lineage and Pixel Experience ROMs are better at long-term support. But any custom ROM on older non-officially-supported phones is vulnerable to firmware exploits, since those fixes are typically distributed as binaries by the hardware manufacturer (Qualcomm etc). So I understand why Graphene drops support so quick, since they want all Graphene users to benefit from strong security practices.
That was a great explanation, much appreciated thank you!
That explains why when I looked at Graphene later it didn’t support the Pixel 2
Same problems as ever with custom roms though, Cameras don't work as properly, BT/Wifi issues, have to run old unsecure kernels, etc.
Respectfully, this is not true anymore. GrapheneOS works like a charm for most that use it. There are some issues regarding push notifications (if you decide not to install Google Play Services on your phone), but other than that the phones retain their usual functionality.
Additionally, the part of your comment regarding running old insecure kernels is not at all the case for GrapheneOS. The whole point with the OS is to run the latest security updates/patches and kernel. Take a look at the part on their website regarding patches for more information: https://grapheneos.org/features#more-complete-patching
Also as a result, that opens up Apple's discounting strategy where it sells the one-year-old model as a discounted model. If an Apple model can get updates 6 years after release, then buying an 18-month old model (but as a new phone) still assures you of 4.5 years of updates.
Long rant below, but the real TL;DR is that you are very correct. lol
Length of years supported and general ability to get official repairs (non-sense of breaking random features if using unofficial parts aside) has been a no-brainier for going iPhone. I haven't owned one myself due to using third-party app stores and side loading. But it would have been great to have phones last longer with updates and general feel of still doing everything I need without devices showing their age so badly.
That being said, Samsung has done so much better than they used to. I have used HTC Evo, Galaxy S3, S6, S8+, S20+, S23 Ultra, and now have a S24 Ultra (only got it because damage coverage ended up giving store credit due to system that would normally replaced the S23 Ultra with another one was messed up). Starting with the S20+ the devices have been doing much better in the "showing their age" aspect (the S20+ was so OP with 12GB of RAM and the 120Hz display that I still like messing with it).
They stopped with major OS upgrades and was the main reason for the S23 Ultra as I thought it wouldn't get anymore updates. To my surprise it was still getting security updates at least through last year. If I hadn't been forced to "upgrade" to the 24 Ultra, I was planning to not even consider upgrading until maybe next year or the year after. Kind of got to feel like having an iPhone. It has been great to see at least longer term security upgrades than in years past.
Samsung still sucks with regards to their tablets though. Been happy with my Galaxy Tab S8+ hardware wise. But no idea how many OS upgrades it will get. My Pixel Tab will likely get more (which is awesome), but it will likely "show its age" sooner mostly because the 60Hz LCD display (AMOLED with high refresh rates really help make aging hardware feel nice to use). iPads will keep being the much better long term "value" for recommending to people that ask me what they should get.
I wish there were some kind of law passed that required OEMs to allow independent ROMs to be officially supported. Without tripping e-fuses after some amount of time that the OEMs stop providing OS or security updates. Kind of like how cell carriers send provider unlocks after certain time periods/after fully paying off the device if paying monthly. Would love to not have to do so many steps while risking being flagged by apps as not trusted due to root. E-waste is getting out of control as it is, and custom ROMs are really held back by virtue of the above and full driver support.
Same here. I would feel much happier to consider shopping around again if more options than just Google offered updates but that never seems to materialize
I believe the later Pixel models have longer support periods. But I'm in a similar boat with my old Pixels; my P1 still works just fine, and I'd love to use it as a makeshift security cam, but it's so far out of date that it's probably not wise to have it on the network at all.
Yeah, at least the last couple have longer support periods now, but at the time my Pixel 2 stopped getting support it looks like the Pixel 5 (then the newest model) was only expecting 3 years. It might entice me to switch back at some point.