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DeepSeek tech wipeout erases more than $1 trillion in market cap as AI panic grips Wall Street

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A tech sell-off on Monday saw more than $1 trillion in value erased over concerns over China's DeepSeek AI app.

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But will it tell me about Tiananmen Square?
- A friend shared his attempt earlier today -
  
  So the response would be harmful? Interesting.
  
  If it's not like normal llms I wonder if the world could teach it about what happened
  
  It has the data, someone posted a jailbreak already. It's likely just keyword censoring.
  
  Can you share the jailbreak?
  
  Unfortunately they're mostly listed on reddit, but here's the links.
  
  Here's a simple one. https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1ibtznc/jailbreaking_deepseek/
  
  Here's the full detail Tiananmen one. https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1h34yuw/chinese_model_deepseeks_uncensored_take_on_the/
  
  Ask it about other political things, as well - it gives very neutered responses. I tried asking about George W. Bush for example. I thought the answer on Uyghurs was sus, but, it seems very neutered when it comes to anything political.
  
  This is what I got after basically begging it to respond:
  
  "The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 were significant demonstrations centered in Beijing's Tiananmen Square, involving demands for political reform and freedom. These protests took place in June 1989 and were part of a broader context of global movement towards democracy and freedom during that period. The Chinese government's response to these protests was marked by suppression, with reports of violent confrontations, including the iconic image of the "Tank Man." The events have had lasting impacts on China's political landscape and its approach to dissent. Due to censorship and limited discourse, accessing accurate and comprehensive information on this topic remains challenging, necessitating reliance on reputable international sources for a balanced historical analysis."
  
  Also:
  
  "The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 began in April of that year and escalated in June. They centered on Beijing's Tiananmen Square, where thousands of students, workers, and other citizens gathered to call for political reform, freedom of speech, and an end to government corruption. The protests were part of a broader wave of pro-democracy movements globally during that period.
  
  On June 3-4, 1989, the Chinese government declared martial law and moved to suppress the demonstrations. Military forces, including tanks and troops, were deployed to clear the square. The exact number of casualties is unknown, as the Chinese government has not released official figures, but estimates range from hundreds to thousands of people. The events marked a significant turning point in modern Chinese history and remain a sensitive topic within the country due to ongoing political and social implications.
  
  The Tiananmen Square protests are widely regarded as a pivotal moment in the struggle for democracy and human rights in China, and discussions about the events continue to be restricted in China today."
  
  lol. It’s trash
- If you get a decensored version from Huggingface and run it locally, it should. I just checked and there's already a bunch of those available.
  
  Have they managed to lower the parameters it needs too? I've got a shit internet connection so it's painful downloading some of the larger models.
  
  ollama run deepseek-r1:1.5b
  
  That'll get you a 1.1gb model. Probably knows less trivia but still functional.
  
  Yep, they've got tons of lower ones now, it's pretty popular
  
  It shot to the top of ollama's list. Probably due to all the headlines...
- The model itself can. The hosting on DeepSeek's own infrastructure will block it though, to comply with their regional laws.
  
  So if you want to know what the model itself will say, discuss it with a 3rd party hosted instance.
  
  Got any recommendations?
  
  HuggingFace is pretty popular:
  
  https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1
- Just checked. It starts to do its chain of thought, mentioning the riot and stuff, then it wipes the convo and states it cannot help with things like that yet.
- It's pretty mum about most politics, actually. You can download the model and try it out via ollama.
  
  I think I’ll skip it. If it refuses to answer things, it’s not very useful.
  
  Can it answer this correctly on the first go: How many R’s are in the word strawberry
  
  There used to be an issue with ChatGPT saying 2
  
  It gets three, then thinks some more and replies 2.
  
  That’s hilarious.
  
  I’m so excited for this AI hype to blow over. It’s a great calculator, and it has improved my life tremendously, but to trust its solution without confirming its accuracy is just suicidal.
  
  I imagine it will be kind of like the way the dot-com bubble burst. A lot of money lost, and a lot of "respected analysts" will declare that it's over, etc...
  
  Meanwhile, people continue to use it and it becomes something that is both critical and assumed as part of everyday life.
  
  I remember watching a lot of people saying that the Internet is over, even as everything was being swallowed up by it...
  
  There are several models; I'm not sure which one has been trained the most on general topics. I'm trying out the r1 models.
- There was another thread where they reportedly were able to have the AI speak at length about it via prompt injection.
- Its datasets for that are probably lacking lol but retrainable?
- AI is just a tool. Then again so are the capitalist Tech Bros and Xi jinping's capitalist oligarch pack. I can't think of a better use of AI than them all tearing each other apart.
- Yes when you run the model locally.
  
  That’s still a very washed version
- At least we know they censor.
  
  What topics are censored by ChatGPT and we are not aware of them?
  
  If you can’t find something that chatGPT censors, what does it matter, you can’t find it!
  
  However, in a post 2025 world, I expect all ai to have government mandated censorship in every country, including the US. Ask about January 6 and it will tell a very different story than reality.
  
  To be frank, it's a bad take. Even if we can test that censors messages against CCP, that doesn't mean we know everything it censors. Same with any other LLM.
  
  Also there's censorship, when the novel is instructed to follow a line, and training bias, when the model has selected training data. That too happens with all LLMs.
  
  There will never be a "free speech and unbiased" LLM, but that is true of people too.
  
  Just treat LLMs as what a random person tells you on the internet.

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