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I spent $82 USD on cold, flu and bronchitis treatment last year!
The fact that this is considered expensive there made me do a choking double take in the same way as learning that an actual mansion in the 70s used to cost like 20 grand.
- i mean they do have lower incomes
- the median income in China is around 26,800 Yuan (USD 3,855) per month. $82 USD (492yuan) is actually expensive. Since it is median income, you can expect a lot of people are not making that amount especially in the inland regions.
  Comparing it to the States is not the good flex that people think it is.
  
  As a portion of median income it's still far far better than the out of pocket costs in the US (just like pretty much every other country on earth)
  
  If I went to the doctor for bronchitis, then I would pay about 15 dollars after insurance for the visit and prescriptions. Hospitalization would completely different though, and I think that's a better comparison to make.
  
  I'm with Ambetter, which has one of the lowest denial rates in the country, about 13% I believe.
  
  This also is under the assumption you've met your deductable for the year already which for many HDHP can sometimes be hard.
  
  Well, in a situation where you are going to your primary physician and not going to a hospital then you would be responsible for the co-pay for the doctors visit and whatever the prescriptions cost after insurance, so even though it's the start of the year and I haven't paid anything towards the deductible, it still would be less than $50. With my plan, my co-pay is $10 and I usually have my prescriptions covered 100%. That's why I'm saying a hospital visit would be a better comparison because that's where you really get screwed here. I am in no way defending US healthcare, just being honest about my experiences. Now, if you didn't have insurance, then a visit like this to the doctor and prescriptions could easily be over $150.
  
  What about purchasing power or whatever that metric is called?
  Edit: and it is still a flex. Being able to talk to a doctor without taking a loan is pretty good compared to the us
  
  Depends of where you live, in tier 1 Cities (if you want to live for opportunities and make a decent income). You can't really survive well with a 3,855 per month if you don`t have a paid house from your parents.
  It is difficult for migrant workers who can't afford a decent living standard unless you live with 4-5 people in a 2 bedrooms rentals.
  In terms of healthcare, you if you don`t live in a big city that benefited from reform and opening up, a severe health issue can be a death sentence.
  
  This is not true, 26,800 RMB per month is Senior Developer in Shenzhen (Shenzhen is China Silicon Valley, But the salary is only half of Google L3. and Daily work 9+ hours, six or seven days a week, plz search 996.ICU).
  Real china mainland are 600 million people who earn less than 1,000 RMB (136.39 USD) per month (year 2020) by Li Keqiang say (former Prime Minister has passed away).
  Trade union? Strike action? No, You'll go to jail, plz search "Jasic incident".
  Absolute majority Rednote user is children of the bourgeoisie (Real china is Kuaishou and douyin (But algorithms have created echo chambers that isolate people) or search "whyyoutouzhele" on twitter).
  They don't even know that 120 is a paid service, or maybe they're just bragging...
  In Jining (former capital of Shandong) Base fare: 100 RMB for the first 10km, 150 RMB for 10-20km, and an additional 10 RMB for each kilometer over 20,
  There's a 50 yuan charge for using things like stretchers and oxygen tanks.
  
  your statements are not really contradicting my point and I'm not really disagreeing with them, perhaps you were replying to someone else?
  Trade union? Strike action? No, You'll go to jail, plz search "Jasic incident".
  Again, I have never stated anything regarding labour struggle in China, I have never defended the government handling of labour issues on my comment, I had stated in the past that strike are illegal in China and the poor handling of workers dissatisfaction often leads to lynchings at worst. I am also familiar with the Jasic incident, again i don't think you are responding on my comments regarding median income in China.
  Absolute majority Rednote user is children of the bourgeoisie.
  I have never really disagree with this point, the social media access is inevitably going to be alienated young people in cubicule with some income that allows internet access\phone plan
  They don't even know that 120 is a paid service, or maybe they're just bragging...
  Again, I have never mentioned anything about toll fare to pay back road development, since I am aware. Either you are not responding to the right comments or you are enumerating statements as a way to rant or something
  There's a 50 yuan charge for using things like stretchers and oxygen tanks.
  Healthcare hasn't really been optimal in recent years. I was back to China two years to see my grandmother one last time. She can't no longer eat; therefore we had to feed her via nutrient tube. a pack of 500ml was 100-150 rmb (2 packs per day) and sometime we managed to bribe people to skip lines to get them first by paying extra. We also managed to luckily bribe the hospital director so she doesn't get kicked out of her bed as it is a rule that you have to leave your bed after a 15 days stay. Suffice to say, she was lucky as she had a party member pension, but the care did ate up a portion of it.
  
  It's nothing personal, I just think it's partly true that. So I added some, including labour issues.
  You mentioned median income, According to Zhongjin data, 95% of the population has a monthly income below 5,000 RMB. I don't know the source of your data.
  
  https://www.timedoctor.com/blog/average-salary-in-china/
  I got the number by clicking on the first link I found, cross checked with my cousin's income and it is within a plausible range. my statement still stands that healthcare is not cheap in China atm and it would eat up a portion of your income if you have severe issues.
  5,000 RMB
  sounds about right, my electrician cousin makes less than that
  
  Thank you. I see its data from SalaryExplorer, but I couldn't find where SalaryExplorer source.
  Caixin (link, but chinese) did a study last year,
  Low-income households, comprising about 300 million people, will have a per capita disposable income of 8,333 RMB in 2021, or 694 RMB per month.
  while lower-middle-income households will have a per capita disposable income of 18,446 RMB or 1,537 per month.
  High-income households, which make up 20 percent of the population, have a per capita disposable income of 85,836 in 2021, or 7,153 RMB per month.
  
  That link describes the average salary. Your original comment spoke of the median salary.
  It's unusual that those are the same, especially since China has quite a high gini-coefficient. Where did you find that information?
  
  I know this isn’t exactly relevant, but that’s more than I’ve ever earned in my entire life. The most I’ve ever earned in a month is like 2K.
  
  🤲 😔
  
  It costs me $60 just to see my family doctor, after insurance kicks in, and before paying for any prescriptions.
  I do not make 30 x $3,855 per month, which is the cost proportion we’re referring to.
  
  Per wikipedia (I know, but I don't think this kind of data is political enough to be subject to the NATOpedia treatment, it's originally from the census bureau), the median income for workers in the US in 2023 was 40,480 USD. That's 3373.33.

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