Police are not primarily crime fighters, according to the data
Police are not primarily crime fighters, according to the data
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Police are not primarily crime fighters, according to the data
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Wow who would have guessed. Certainly not marxists who have been saying this for hundreds of years!
https://www.redpepper.org.uk/the-police-are-not-here-to-protect-you/
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This user worships Lenin (known for killing over 8 million people). Look up their username and you'll see they're known on Reddit for posting tankie spam everywhere.
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A thought-terminating cliche that has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. "Don't listen to this person's completely reasonable point, they're [redscareword]"
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You spam the same tired images praising Lenin who murdered 8 million people. Don't listen to this person because they idolize mass murderers. They're not mentally well.
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Many Stalin, Mao and Lenin worshippers around here.
These have hard time realizing the crimes that these clowns committed. Must be nice to pick and choose history like that, as long as their politics stay safe, I guess. Victims were mostly eastern Europeans and central and east asiains, who cares. A small price for a western tankie it seems.
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Victims were mostly eastern Europeans and central and east asiains, who cares. A small price for a western tankie it seems.
Half my family grew up in the soviet union. Czech.
You two are the ones that completely derailed this conversation into talk about lenin and other crap. I commented about cops ffs.
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You brought politics into this discussion. You got called for having unsavory post history praising mass murders. If you are eastern European, that's a very weird position to take. I am guessing they didn't raise or you are too dense to realize what was done there.
I doubt any here is an ally of the pigs in blue, so really you derailed this discussion by inserted you shiti politics.
I just don't get how adult men still fall for daddy worship on either side. 21sr century problems requires modern solutions, not repeating same clown history and sinping for dead clowns daddies.
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I just don’t get how adult men still fall for daddy worship on either side. 21sr century problems requires modern solutions, not repeating same clown history and sinping for dead clowns daddies.
I am not a man. Stop misgendering me. This is the second fucking time in this thread.
You brought politics into this discussion.
I just said we're the ones that we've been saying this forever, and linked to some further reading.
You got called for having unsavory post history praising mass murders.
I've never praised "mass murderers". Get a grip.
If you are eastern European, that’s a very weird position to take
No it isn't. You have a warped view of what eastern europe believes because you see us as caricatures to use as a political weapon. I have gone over this in the past, there is a very large amount of positivity towards the soviet union here:
7 out of 11 countries believe the end of the USSR harmed their countries rather than benefited them
Reflecting back on the breakup of the Soviet Union that happened 22 years ago next week, residents in seven out of 11 countries that were part of the union are more likely to believe its collapse harmed their countries than benefited them. Only Azerbaijanis, Kazakhstanis, and Turkmens are more likely to see benefit than harm from the breakup. Georgians are divided.
Hungary: 72% of Hungarians say they are worse off today economically than under communism
A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process.
Romania: 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism
The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied.
Germany: more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR
Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.
28 percent of Czechs say they were better off under the Communist regime
Roughly 28 percent of Czechs say they were better off under the Communist regime, according to a poll conducted by the polling institute SC&C and released Sunday.
81% of Serbians believe they lived best in Yugoslavia
A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -”during the time of socialism”.
The majority of Russians polled in a 2016 study said they would prefer living under the old Soviet Union and would like to see the socialist system and the Soviet state restored.
Americans always say this stuff about europe because their brains are riddled with red scare brainworms and are completely devoid of any knowledge or understanding of what the left in Europe actually thinks because Americans do not have any experience with a left, they don't have one.
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Come on duderino.
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I'm just curious how anyone should have known you're not a man.
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Being an adult woman into daddy worship ain't any better but OK.
OK we are using trust me bros surveys to justify USSR crimes now?
I am sure every country will have their bootlickers. You know those regims required plenty of collaborators to operate, I am sure they would still be simping for the good olds days when they were in charge.
Serb and russian example is disingenous also since their dear 'countries" lost a whole bunch of second class citizens that they liked to exploit for profit and mass murder fun.
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Proper polling by some of the most respected institutes in the world isn't "trust me bro".
You can't dismiss actual evidence when it's presented to you just because it doesn't confirm what you want it to. I understand that you have this impression because it's what you've seen far right american losers repeat in reddit comment sections thousands of times over and over and over again, but these comments that you've used to build your worldview are not actually representative of reality. They are anecdotes by either people like yourself who have been led to believe it by seeing it repeated over and over, or by people who know it's false but continue to repeat it because they are ideologically committed to spreading it as propaganda.
You are not immune to propaganda.
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It takes more courage to stand up for something you believe than to give in to populism. I really do appreciate the points you brought up. I may still disagree with several things about communism, but I have to acknowledge that even in this capitalist society we have many issues that are only resolved by a "heavy handed" policy due to a lot of the greed going on in the west.
Despite this back and forth going on, you have very succinctly got some good points across and I very much hope you stick around for the discussions here. I might not agree with all your philosophy, but conversation with someone like you is a real good thing as opposed to sitting in echo chambers with narrow perspective.
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You'll probably enjoy when Hexbear.net federates in 5 days time. Some of these other people won't lmao.
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I don't like echo chambers. Reinforcing populism is to the detriment of us all. I'm a free speech absolutist. When you can constructively support your point of view, allow it to be challenged, and then respond with something that really taps into the basis for why your philosophy is solid ground to you, I find that compelling.
"We all want clean water", and on the same token I think a more core freedom is the freedom of expression or access to health and well being. Here we're squabbling over philosophy when there are core tenets we universally agree on, and remembering that common ground for our common humanity should be more valuable than "I told a (insert perjorative here) off". Is communism right for the west? Idk, maybe never, but I look at the countries whom spend the least on healthcare but have higher standards of living and I can't help but think these fictitious dreams of free market and eternal growth have collapsed long ago.
I mean, how about a fucking place to live? I'm amazed that anyone wants to argue capitalist vs communist when we have bizarre issues that are fucking ruining the lives of hundreds of millions of people in just the US and someone wants to get hung up on hating on tankies.
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Ableism really gets your point across and makes you look good.
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Worshiping mass murderers really gets your point across and makes you look good.
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I don't worship them. I simply don't agree with your take that they're bad. Life was significantly worse under the Tsars and this is empirically provable with very simple data. For example a look at prison mortality rates before and after the revolution:
What you are functionally doing when you attack Lenin is say that you think the revolution shouldn't have happened. You're defending monsters yourself - the tsars.
The point isn't to defend the mistakes of past socialist endeavours of which there were certainly many, but to uphold the obvious improvements that they most certainly made over what came before them.
And you consistently ignore the fact that good people throughout history agree with me that Lenin was a revolutionary that fought for good, not a monster.
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Your username betrays your very first sentence (you claim not to worship Lenin). You can't even start by making a truthful, coherent, or logical point. Look at how many images you've posted praising Lenin. You're seriously claiming that you're not worshiping him? You're delusional.
You're defending a man who murdered 8 million people. Full stop. You also defend modern day Russia and their genocide against the Ukrainian people whenever you get a chance. Everything you say revolves around supporting Russia and their unwarranted murders. You're not fooling anyone.
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Wow, I could excuse the Lenin worship for a second (his list of atrocities isn’t widely known and he did depose a despotic regime), but Putin’s Russia???
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Your username betrays your very first sentence (you claim not to worship Lenin). You can’t even start by making a truthful, coherent, or logical point. Look at how many images you’ve posted praising Lenin. You’re seriously claiming that you’re not worshiping him? You’re delusional.
A revolution is not a mass murder. You just keep repeating the "killed 8 million people" line over and over again, devoid of context or historical analysis in order to repeatedly put the deaths that occurred during that revolution all entirely on one person. While simultaneously ignoring the fact that the revolution created a vast improvement in people's lives.
You also defend modern day Russia
I do not. You are building a strawman and repeatedly make stuff up. You do not participate in good faith and if you think harrassing me over and over again will get me to stop participating you are going to be disappointed. It's been tried many times before.
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Lol you claim to not defend modern day Russia, yet you constantly spout their propaganda like "Nazis are in Ukraine". Then when I told you that there are Nazis in Russia too, you completely pivoted to another argument and defended Russia again.
Are you too dumb to remember the things you've written? It's not a strawman argument if you're too dumb to remember the bullshit that comes out of your mouth.
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The author of that graph miscalculated and accidentally inflated the Tsarist era statistics. They were closer to this. (If I remember correctly, the original author might have misunderstood Wheatcroft when he wrote ‘These rates were extremely high in the 1880s, when they were more than five times the normal prison mortality rate[.]’)
The Tsars were still pretty awful, though, and were one of the reasons that made the October Revolution inevitable.
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Evidence for that claim?
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I learnt this from a commenter on Reddit’s Chapotraphouse when another user shared that same graph; the comment explained how the author miscalculated. Unfortunately, the comment vanished when Reddit deleted Chapotraphouse years ago, so now I don’t have the evidence.
However, one of the sources in that graph, The Crisis of the Late Tsarist Penal System, does not really support the miscalculation:
The number of tsarist executions is clearly minute in comparison with the later Soviet figures, and the scale of katorga and exile is also extremely low. While this is undeniable, it is important to stress the remarkable changes and deterioration in the tsarist prison systems that came about in the last decade of tsarist rule.
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That is unfortunate.
However, one of the sources in that graph, The Crisis of the Late Tsarist Penal System, does not really support the miscalculation:
The number of tsarist executions is clearly minute in comparison with the later Soviet figures, and the scale of katorga and exile is also extremely low. While this is undeniable, it is important to stress the remarkable changes and deterioration in the tsarist prison systems that came about in the last decade of tsarist rule.
This doesn't imply the figures in the graph are wrong. It implies that the later soviet figures had higher numbers. The graph is not of total numbers of deaths it is of the mortality rate, providing a comparison of the overall conditions. The soviets undoubtedly had massively more raw numbers, particularly in ww2 when they held many millions.
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Your comment didn't bring anything meaningful to this discussion either. All you did was post a website link.
Maybe your post could actually include some meaningful discussion and comments that can stand on their own. Maybe next time?
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Maybe try clicking it and reading next time?
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Seeking as you did not post any meaningful comment, no thanks.
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(Also I'm not a guy, you've been told this before. Stop intentionally misgendering me.)
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