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well at least the cycle has stopped

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They're both right. If you didn't vote for Harris, you were incredibly misguided. But it's not my job to get Harris elected, it's the DNC's.
- It's everyone's job to fight a fascist takeover, though. Election subversion is part of the playbook.
  
  The Republicans didn't create the democratic campaign. Fighting fascism is everyone's job but that job would've been much easier if the alternative didn't run on "we're not as bad a Trump".
- It’s worse than that - this election was a major win for billionaires, the DNC’s donors that call the shots and decide who gets on the ticket and the same group that backs the GOP’s ticket. The difference in the candidates is a reflection of the range of preferences within the billionaire class. That’s why we can’t get exciting progressive candidates. That’s also why we see so many articles blaming voters or blaming a side - the division keeps people focused elsewhere. Billionaire-owned and managed media (propaganda) keeps them out of the spotlight. Kamala was the far better candidate but she lost because the more hateful of the billionaires put their funds into setting up a false choice (a vote either way is a vote for the billionaires) and then poured on the gas to get the other guy in office.
  
  the DNC’s donors that call the shots and decide who gets on the ticket are the same group that backs the GOP’s ticket.
  This is how a corporatocracy always wins. Welcome to America.
- Genocide is not a dealbreaker for ora.
  
  Between the two inevitable options, Harris was willing to negotiate a ceasefire. I realize there's theoretically faster options but I was unwilling to make minorities all over the world die on that hill. It's purely a place of privilege to think there's no difference between wiping Palestinians off the map, and stopping the war in place.
  
  No, she wasn't willing to negotiate a ceasefire. Listen to her. Ironclad with Israel until the end. It's too late for the democrats now.
  Under their watch almost all of Gaza is destroyed and 100,000's people dead and displaced. Generations of families and nearly every single hospital, university, school, and mosque destroyed. This is anihilation.
  This is what democrats mean when they say they want a ceasefire. They could have stopped it right at the outset, but they choose to say "Israel has a right to defend itself" and continues to arm Israel as it's been slowly genociding them for over a year.
  She may have said something about a ceasefire, but just as Biden talked about all of his red lines that Netanyahu blew through, they are just words.
  Maybe now she can become a champion for ending the genocide because Trump will be doing it instead.
  
  Kamala Harris isn't alone in wanting the ceasefire but she's in the extreme minority among her peers (i.e. congress). But let's say you're right, let's pretend she has the exact same views on Israel as Trump. In that case the only things on the ballot were the safety of people abroad in Ukraine, the refugees domestically who are at risk of being sent back to hostile territory, Queer people, especially transgender people who are running out of safe countries to be, what about anybody who wants to criticize America without the US Millitary being sent after them. Even though you see all these minorities as worthless, they'll be coming for you eventually. First they came for the socialists.
  
  The thing you don't understand is whatever they are doing in Palestine they are willing to do to you. What do you think all of the death and destruction Israel has brought there is going to create? Peace and happiness? Kumbaya guitar circles? I wait to see what karma brings.
  Maybe those were the only things on the ballot for you. You know what wasn't on the ballot for you? The winning issues. Do you know why?
  Because to the democrats it was more important to keep arming Israel than forgiving student loans, a $15 minimum wage, universal healthcare, the dramatic rise in the cost of living/drop in quality of life, cleaning up the East Palestine train fiasco, etc.
  The hardest I have ever seen democrats fight for something was when Trump was in office. They fought him on everything. I thought that energy would carry over if they won in 2020. It didn't. They let the parliamentarian shut down the party with a penstroke.
  It's too late. The DNC is dead. They appealed to corporate and centrist issues. They get called the left, but really they are the center right.
  If the democrats really wanted to win and make positive change, they would have chosen Bernie in 2016 and 2020, but they did everything in their power to make sure he lost, prefering to lose to Trump rather than improve the lives of not-rich Americans.

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