The Anti-Semetism is just incredible

Implying that Jewish people at large need to be told not to murder children because of the actions of Israel is actually anti-Semitic. Citing parts of the Torah to slander Jews when the topic is about Israel is anti-Semitic.

There are Jewish activists who oppose Israel (and Israel abuses them for their activism when they live there, or outright bans them from ever visiting Israel if they live elsewhere). And there are Jewish Palestinians too.

The Australian Jewish Association posting a picture like the one in the post kind of implicates Jews at large if such actions aren't widely condemned and taken back, even if it seems anti-Semitic to do so.

That said there are many Jews that advocate for peace and to end this violence.

Just one example of many: https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

Unfortunately it's overshadowed by a massive suppression campaign all over the world to hide voices of protest and justify the occupation.
- The Australian Jewish Association posting a picture like the one in the post kind of implicates Jews at large if such actions aren't widely condemned and taken back...
  
  No it absolutely does not. Pointing at an organization's statement and placing the responsibility of finding and condemning the message on Jewish people is insane. Do you think Jewish people are a hive mind or something?
  
  The Australian Jewish Association is openly a pro-Israel and right wing organization. They say as much on their website. Why are you comfortable pointing at anything the org says and painting it as widely representative of Jewish views?
  
  Unfortunately it's overshadowed by a massive suppression campaign all over the world to hide voices of protest and justify the occupation.
  
  A campaign that you're not helping to oppose by pointing at the AJA and holding Jewish people culpable for its messages, nor by citing the Torah to slander Jewish people as child killers.
  
  You're correct, but that's the crux of the problem.
  
  Rank and file members of a religion need to come out against right-wing groups like the AJA that appropriate and hide behind the name of a religion to excuse being awful people. Otherwise they will use passages like the one I highlight to say this is what the religion really is about, which it isn't.
  
  This is applicable to Islam, Christianity, Catholicism, Buddhism and other religions just as much as Judaism.
  
  Do you have a problem when the same argument is used against the Palestinians, and Hamas? The narrative there is that Hamas is built on the framework of "death to Israel and the Jews", and since the Palestinians don't come out strongly enough against the requested then they are guilty. Other Arab/Muslim majority neighboring nations denying them as refugees because of the levels of radicalization that have occurred, which gives ammunition to the pro-Israel sides declaration that the rank and file Palestinians are hiding behind Islamic Jihad and antisemitism to try and genocide the Jews.
  
  I have the same issue with Hamas vs. Palestinians, yes. There was one Hamas official's comment of "It's going to be October 7th again and again until Israel is destroyed." and likewise there are religious texts of eliminating all people of non-Islam belief to back radical and harmful views just like the Torah example in my top-level comment.
  
  Instead we need to give the voice to both Jewish and Islamic voices that express peace, compassion for one another and an end to violence.
- Yep, all cops aren't bad, just a few... So because there are a handful of Israelis who don't support murdering women and children, you can't criticize any Israelis or their leaders or their country. It's just a massive conspiracy to hide that overwhelming protest against stealing land and killing children.

This argument is dangerous and in fact generalizes in an anti-Semitic way. The horrible actions of the state of Israel are not in any way representative of Judaism. How would you like it if I quoted biblical passages to portray you as a fascist conservative US ultrachrist? Your reference to the Throa does nothing more than that: equate a religious group with the actions of a state. Please think before you post on social media.

How would you like it if I quoted biblical passages to portray you as a fascist conservative US ultrachrist?

I think that would be really entertaining.
I think the world would be a lot better if everyone recognized that these religious books written hundreds or thousands of years ago have some batshit insane things written by some batshit insane people in them and no part of them should be used to dictate people's lives.
How would you like it if I quoted biblical passages to portray you as a fascist conservative US ultrachrist?

Go ahead, do that. Quote Bible passages, Quran passages, Buddhist, other religious texts and events anywhere to paint me as whatever you think my areligious-ass is.

You will see that most have some passage like my example, that radical right-wing colonial fascists use to justify acts like genocide.

Religion can be a force of good and you're correct that the actions of Israel are not representative of Judaism as a whole. In fact, whether as a commandment from a holy figure, rules within a religious society to earn just reward, spiritual obligation or of role models portrayed in such texts, the principles of caring for others as you would yourself, acting compassionately to the weak, poor and underprivileged are core tenets of religions everywhere.

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However, remember that the post is of a Semitic organization displaying opposition to genocide as an example of anti-Semitism, and I merely provide evidence that there are texts to back up that extremely harmful view.
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This should be pointed more often, if ideology of a group is including culling other groups then you shouldn't be surprised they actually start doing it someday, this actually also points at many other groups out there and people tend to forget about it till it's too late

Thanks. I am willing to risk religious people of all stripes to downvote me for saying it, not that points matter.

Have to condemn Riemer & Lieberman here…

How’d you interpret the last two paragraphs?

Even if most people would not invoke the commandment to destroy Amalek today, there are certainly those, like Rabbi Riemer, who have ventured to do so. And there has been no dearth of similar, violent invocations in reference to the Palestinians, as well. For example, Benzi Lieberman, the chairman of the Council of Settlements said in no uncertain terms: “The Palestinians are Amalek! We will destroy them. We won’t kill them all. But we will destroy their ability to think as a nation. We will destroy Palestinian nationalism.”

The general consensus among today’s Jewish community seems to be that our energies can and must be used to stop the perpetuation of genocidal activity occurring throughout the world, to become agents for peace, and to dismiss any contemporary comparisons to the biblical paradigm. But clearly there are difficult texts and teaching that remain in our tradition that must be remembered and reckoned with.

Right, so if this is the consensus (although there is reason to believe it is), then this occupation of Gaza should have been condemned and stopped months ago by Jewish organizations everywhere, hand in hand with peace groups, humanitarian organizations like MSF, Palestinian groups. The level of suppression of media and protest happening from Israeli and Jewish organizations show a level of complicity in the elected right-wing level governments actions, and only a handful of brave Jewish groups and rabbis have publicly spoken out against it.
- and stopped
  
  How do you propose those organizations do that? Go to Gaza and start shooting at IDF troops?
  
  That's a fair question. Sign onto the open letters produced by various peace and humanitarian organizations.
  
  Put out advertisements and advocacy in support of a ceasefire. Pressure local, state/provincial, federal governments to restrict your nation's support to the Israeli government. Push local and national theistic organizations co-ordinate a message for peace and compassion for the displaced and hungry, end violence and bring aid to their fellow Palestinian Semite.
  
  https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org I do believe the large majority of Jews worldwide care for peace and humanitarian compassion. They should be upset and revolt at letting the current Israeli government tarnish their culture and religion in vain, at the cost of thousands of innocent lives. They should support BDS (and in Canada)
  
  We do need to separate the anger towards Israel with anything with Judaism. The issue is that Israeli government, various Israeli organizations and the most moral army in the world are tying themselves to Judaism to excuse heinous acts of violence.
  
  None of that will stop a genocide that Netanyahu is dedicated to seeing to completion. The only person who can stop this genocide is Netanyahu. And none of those organizations will help there.
  
  Humbly, I disagree. The U.S. Department of State has been in lock-step with Netanyahu's wants and needs to conduct this genocide. It has vetoed a ceasefire resolution multiple times. American uniforms, American vehicles, American arms are delivered to and used by the IDF. Domestic pressure in the US will have an effect.
  
  Restricting deliveries of such tools to conduct genocide will hamper Netanyahu's ability to conduct the mission, which can be advocated for by people and organizations anywhere.
  
  Other countries, including Canada believing every damn word coming from the IDF without question while being slow to corroborate other information is something that needs to change. Cities like Chicago have come out with an official stance in support of Palestine, other cities can too.
  
  If we care for a rules-based order in the world, if the majority of a religion's followers believe in the compassionate core of their religion, we can show it, even if it wouldn't materially affect how Netanyahu conducts his genocide.
  
  You said stop it, not have an effect. Those are very different.
  
  This will have an effect (in stopping Israel's actions).
  
  I can edit it to more directly address how to stop it if this satisfies you, but continuing a conversation of the particular words I use or do not will not be productive for either of us. Thank you for the conversation.

This comment is actually pretty bigoted. I've heard literal Nazis talk the exact same way about Muslims and their religious texts.

Just because something was written in a religious book a thousand years ago doesn't mean it is automatically endorsed by the entire population.

Hey, I agree with you my comment was a bit bigoted. This comment was half-written in the context of being a Lemmy Shitpost, but it has spawned a chain of genuine discussion.

The important thing is to separate the hate for what Israel is doing from Jewish people in general. (Same with Palestinians, Hamas and Islam)

Anti-Semites and Nazis, Islamic fundamentalists, the Israeli government, the Australian Jewish Association all try to fuse the two together to justify violence.
- Yeh, it should be about criticizing and standing against the Israeli state, hamas, and their supporters to be specific, not the folks these entities claim to represent.

It's part of the Bible, too, so it's also anti-Christian!

Absolutely correct.

The vast majority of Jews do not accept what ancient iron age text happen to say as if they were modern moral texts and recognize their ancient flaws. Because most Jews aren't Orthodox, who are the only ones who believe all that shit.

The rabbi at the temple when I was growing up was a lesbian. The rabbi at the temple there now (coincidentally) is a gay man. Considering homosexuality is condemned in the torah and they are still rabbis, that should tell you something.

hey everyone! did you know Jewish people kill children!

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