11mo ago

I just found an old post from reddit of a guy who suggested people to come here in another post saying he was wrong about lemmy and the lemmy devs are bad ?

I have a lemmy.ml account and i didn't know that they were bad . I created this account after seeing that post .( I am not into politics as you can see if you visited the account i have put in my bio ) so is that true ?

-Ca. someone explain like what are the lemmy devs political stance ?

-Is lemmy as whole affected by it because i think the two main guys who hold all the cards are the ones with these opinions ,like do they have any control on lemmy as whole in anyway ? Or just the instance ?( I know if they are really bad we can fork lemmy)?

-Is feddit.ch good in these aspects ?

-Are they even really bad or do everyone have different opinions ? The things i consider bad and not polical stance are : for instance i just don't like trump because he is against t lgbt and being racist etc. Which are geniunly bad in my opinion and not just difference in opinions .

i know this is more than one question but please answer as much as i can and when talking politics talk like you are explainining politics to a five year old .
If this isn't the right sub i apologise please don't just down voat me to hell atleast explain where i should move it and i will do that
Thanks in advance will read each and every reply and updoot and reply as much as i can .

EDIT : And if they are that bad why aren't anyone forking it ? It's not like they are carrying the whole thing . Everyone is contributing .

Also if the dev's want to explain their sides i would like to hear it .

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Can someone explain like what are the lemmy devs political stance ?
They're tankies, ie radical communists who support authoritarian regimes like North Korea and the CCP, and fully support Russia's invasion of Ukraine. The devs also onboarded someone who openly said many times on October 8th that "all Israelis are valid targets", "anything that moves and isn't Palestinian is a valid target" and "there's no such thing as an Israeli civilian" and he's still in their team. On their own instance lemmy.ml (their choice of the .ml TLD is a reference to Marxism-Leninism), if you mention the Tiananmen massacre you get banned for "orientalism", and if you say that Hamas are terrorists you also get banned for "bothsidesing (sic)".
Does that leave a stain on Lemmy, the open-source project? Yes, for sure, it leaves Lemmy with a very questionable governance, and weird decisions like the absence of any prioritization of work on moderation tools and the very weird and completely random fact that they suddenly disabled sign-up captchas last summer leading to a bot infestation of most instances. Coincidentally, tankie instances like lemmygrad and hexbears rely on brigading, bots, and cyber-harassment to spread their poison, and strong moderation tools would hinder them a lot.
Now does that make it impossible for Lemmy to succeed? No, it's again an open-source project, and it can be forked away from the tankies at any time. In fact, there's even a highly credible rewrite in Java currently whose goal is to be 100% API-compatible with Lemmy: https://sublinks.org/ (see the announcement here: https://lemmy.world/post/11005411 )
- What's the point of rewriting to Java from Rust?
  
  I don't know what the rationale in that case is, but I'm sure that there are people who prefer Java to Rust for one reason or another.
  Rust is, I think, generally-considered to be sexier, but then, Java has a hell of a lot of inertia behind it. Lot of code, lot of developers.
  googles
  https://jasongr.im/blog/why-i-started-sublinks/
  It says that the lead dev on Sublinks learned Rust in order to contribute to Lemmy, before he got frustrated with scaling issues and went off to do Sublinks, so I'd guess that he probably had a lot of Java experience.
  I'd personally say that probably both Java and Rust are reasonable languages to use for developing a Threadiverse server. Kbin is PHP, which is probably even less-sexy than Java, but hey, there are a lot of people out there who know PHP.
  
  Way more developers that know and are comfortable with the language.
- Well done
- The link doesn't load for me will try later .
  
  The lemmy.ca link needs to be opened inside a browser so that you see the thread on that instance. If you try to open it on an app like Voyager it will probably try to redirect you to your local instance, but the problem is that some instances purged it, probably because it quotes literal calls to violence.
- I don’t think forking lemmy is a good idea honestly, let’s stick to what we have and what currently works well. The beauty of lemmy is that, you can make an account on a hexbear/lemmygrad instance to see what’s up, and switch back to your main instance with more reasonable, less extreme content. But also I vibe with some of lemmygrads less delusional communities. I’m on dbzer0’s server who federates with hexbear but not with lemmygrad and i find that to be a nice balance of content. I find it reductive to say that anything on hexbear/lemmygrad is “tanky” shit, because there are some legitimately great communities in either one (hexbear, for instance, has communities about socialism and marxist philosophies, which I find to be intellectually stimulating and not at all radical, though some would disagree. And chapotraphouse has got some spicy leftist memes )
  True, sympathizing with terrorists and supporting Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is a bad look, but there’s good info on the radical leftist corner of the internet. Of course some people post insane shit to get attention and that’s unfortunate. But I believe these instances at its heart safe spaces for Marxists, Marxist thought and the growing global leftist movement which I personally believe is a harbinger for change in the world.
  I say let’s cut the bad shit and preserve the good bits instead of throwing out the entire block of cheese

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