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What's happening in France?

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On 27 June 2023, Nahel Merzouk, a 17-year-old French youth of North African descent, was shot and killed by the police in Nanterre, a suburb of Paris, France. The Police reported it as self-defence but was later contradicted by a video posted online in which the policeman is pretty clearly in the wrong and basically just shot Nahel who was trying to flee a road interpelation. This led to widespread protests and riots, some really peaceful and some extremly violent. Which is now giving the government excuses to block social media in order to prevent further protests.
- The video posted online does not make it look as cut and dry as you put it. The kid is clearly driving away and was warned multiple times.
  EDIT: guys, maybe respond to the point instead of downvoting. Or are we back to Reddit ways?
  2nd EDIT: People are misconstruing my comment as if I'm defending the cop. I'm not condoning the actions of the police officer. All I'm saying is that it's easy to armchair pontificate about the correct moral action. But imagine from all sides: what if the kid runs over a child and kills that child as they are speeding away. Then what? Just think it through a little more. All I'm saying is it's not so black and white and it's really easy for us to keyboard warrior from our office chairs.
  
  That's a great reason to shoot someone. 🙄
  
  So if the kid had run over someone while driving away and killed them would that have been ok ? Or at what point do we draw the line?
  
  Sinply put, you can't judge someone on something they haven't done yet or they could potentially do.
  
  True, but would you agree that past actions are predictors of possible future outcomes? Aren't we always doing a risk assessment each time we perform an action? A 17 year old kid driving recklessly is not the same as a 40 year old driving to work, right? Can we agree on that at least?
  
  Not necessarily no, and especially here, the kid had no previous issues with the police (he had no criminal record).
  He was definitely an idiot for driving recklessly (and without a license I believe), and being arrested by the police for that is fair.
  But then for some reason he got held at gunpoint by two angry and racist cops. I assume he got scared and tried to drive off (also a somewhat fair reaction especially coming from a teenager), then he got shot and killed. If he got away with it and ran over someone while fleeing, he also should have gotten served a prison sentence or similar, but definitely not death. As for the hypothetical 40 years old, he could get distracted one day and run over someone as well, and that doesn't warrant death penalty either.
  
  I agree with your post here so have an upvote. I think I'm realizing Lemmy is the same clone of reddit where virtue signaling is more interesting than having a Convo. At least you tried so I appreciate that
  
  When the action you perform is pulling the trigger of a gun aimed at a human being you better be pretty fucking sure of your risk assessment.
  There was no immediate and unavoidable risk to that cop nor to anyone else. Even if the kid was on drugs and speeding for fun shooting at him is not an acceptable response.
  
  So by your logic we should be able to shoot anyone driving a car because they could potentially hit someone and kill them. Nice. I'll keep that in mind.
  
  So by your logic we should be able to shoot anyone driving a car because they could potentially hit someone and kill them
  My logic doesn't entail shooting everyone that drives a car. My logic is saying that context matters. Should we allow all drivers in all situations to drive recklessly regardless of the outcomes? You know the answer is no, so why are you asking that question?
  
  So we can shoot anyone doing anything at all reckless? Okay, gotcha.
  
  America is leaking, someone build a wall
  
  Sarcasm, my guy.
  
  Come on...what a bad faith reduction of my position. I can tell there is no interest in having a conversation, just virtue signaling
  
  Because your position is callous and deserving of reduction.
  
  Yes, because asking for nuance and context in high stress situations is callous. Also, I never defended the cop but keep stroking your dick to feel good about your online virtue signaling.
  
  Dismissing the extra judicial killing of a 17 year old for the sake of "discussion" is callous. BuT fEeL gOoD aBoUt BeInG a PeDaNtiC DouChE.
  
  The cop lied about the danger he was supposedly in. Which you can clearly see in the video.
  The kid drove away after allegedly getting hit with the hilt a few times and absolutely being held at gunpoint, with the other cop screaming at his colleague to shoot him. And as far as I am aware, driving away in this situation should not be punishable by death.
  I don't condone the extreme shit that happened next with the riots and all, but it was an execution plain and simple. Both cops should get fired and go to jail for that.
  
  His friends said that his leg slipped because the cop kept hitting him with the butt of the gun. Nevertheless, running away is not a reason to shoot someone. It is cut and dry as he put it.

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