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mozilla rn

source: https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/115742104378939410

context: https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/mozilla-says-firefox-will-evolve-into-an-ai-browser-and-nobody-is-happy-about-it-ive-never-seen-a-company-so-astoundingly-out-of-touch

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They already said it's opt-in. I'm not happy with the AI bullshit but can we stop pretending this is like Google, Microsoft and others forcing their bullshit.
- They still spend a ton of resources on something that most users actively despise. Those resources will be missing elsewhere.
- It's ok buddy.
  I defended mozilla for the longest time. Trying to see the underlying motive for every dumb decision, challenging others to at least acknowledge their strategy.
  This latest brain fart from the new CEO is the end of that though.
  It's fine to keep defending them, but it would also be fine to acknowledge that mozilla is actively alienating Firefox' loyal following.
- Of course they say it's opt-in right now and then later it will be opt-out. This is the standard bullshit reasoning that companies always give. Can you stop pretending that's not what's going to happen?
  
  It's already opt-out right now
- I don't care if it's opt-in over opt-out, I don't even care if it's an entirely optional thing that I could tell Firefox I don't want when I'm installing it, I do not want AI in my browser. I want my browser to load the pages I tell it to load when I tell it to load them and that's it
- What exactly does one get from defending stupid decisions of a company?
  
  Misplaced feeling of superiority?
  
  I remember reading this article a decade and a half ago... It still holds up I reckon
  https://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/19/fanboyism-and-brand-loyalty/
  
  If you read my comment as defending their stupid decisions, you need to repeat elementary school.
  
  You... literally defended their stupid decisions. You can pretend words mean something else, I guess. 🤷‍♂️
- But it's not opt-in, it's in by default
- Since when a kill switch means "opt-in"???
  You are falling for their bullshit.
  
  I mean it seems to me the opt-in part is when they say it will be opt-in by it potentially being a button on the toolbar. Though the dev acknowledges not everyone will see that as opt-in.
  Source: https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115740500373677782
  I can understand why people have issues with that, but let's at least keep criticisms to what they've actually said?
  
  "That feature will be opt-in. In the sense that it's on by default and you can opt-out with a button. Not everyone will see this as opt-in."
  Yeah, no shit. Because that's not opt-in, that's opt-out. Pulling shit like that already makes me distrust their communication.
  
  Ok, I genuinely might be reading this wrong and the other guy won't communicate, so:
  The way I read that is "we will have a button that's there that you can click to activate an AI feature" (though it's unclear if that's actually what it'll be like when finalised). And yeah, I'd rather that was an extension or something I'd go and toggle on if I wanted. That said, I also don't consider that to be "on by default".
  And before anyone misunderstands more, I hate the addition of AI in everything and don't think Firefox should do this. That's not the point I'm arguing.
  
  So, I might be wrong on this, too... But I don't think it's too ambiguous.
  Something that hasn't been made clear: Firefox will have an option to completely disable all AI features.
  We've been calling it the AI kill switch internally. I'm sure it'll ship with a less murderous name, but that's how seriously and absolutely we're taking this.
  They have a button that turns stuff off. Not on. So for me, it's kind of clear that they're building an opt-out solution.
  
  If a feature needs a button to disable it, it IS opt-out, not opt-in.
  You too are falling for their bullshit, as well as to my blocklist.
  plonk

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