communism for 'rule 4' - in a community with no rules, that I've never posted in.

1. Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards

https://lemmy.ml/u/davel

2. What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?

Community Ban

3. Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).

4. Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).

(I have not posted there)

Likewise the community has no rules listed, so I'm not sure how I've broken rule 4

Davel is probably going to try to claim me downvoting a post or comment of his that popped up on my feed or something as me breaking the entire instances rule 4 (no spam?) - which is why I need to be banned only from one community I don't engage in.

Lemmy.ml admin Davel has been rage downvoting my posts a lot lately, even going so far as to downvote me telling real legitimate antisemites to 'fuck off'.

Even CowBee had the decency to admit they were in the wrong and change their ragevote to an upvote.

Davel however seems to especially thinskinned even for the typical .ML'er and would rather double down and engage in poorly disguised retaliation bans for criticisms of a political ideology.

This thought terminating behaviour on display by one of the admins of such a reputable and outstanding instance as Lemmy.ml was not at all warranted and I hereby call on the leadership at lemmy.ML to unban me so that I may continue to not post in their community.

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YDI - you clearly don't like lemmy.ml so why are you upset they are helping to curate your feed. Some divisionsbyzero mods ban people from their communities when it isn't a right fit for them, even if the user never posted/commented in the moderator's community.
- It's one thing when some random unknown person does it with their own personal communities. It's a bit different when it's an instance administrator. I think you will at least acknowledge that.
  
  She won't acknowledge shit.
  
  I didn't realize this when I replied yesterday as I was so taken aback by your negativity but you just intentionally misgendered me.
  
  It was not my intention at all and I have corrected it. I try to use they/them when I don't know pronouns, and I didn't see yours. I don't focus on usernames that much. I apologize.
  
  Thank you I appreciate that, I don't really understand why we ended up at this place just because I disagreed with you?
  I left lemmy months ago due to a problem with misogyny across the threadiverse, someone else made a great post about it. https://sopuli.xyz/post/28506662
  Honestly after what happened here where I was jumped on for ... participating in a post but not agreeing with the men in the post ???? I was going to leave again but it looks like I choose a good instance
  
  Who are you and why are you talking to me like I hurt you?
  "I will assume good faith and intelligence until proven otherwise." What have I done to prove otherwise?
  
  Maybe that would matter if Deceptichum was banned from the entire instance, he is only banned from Communism and has a pretty lengthy modlog https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=8673545
- Is... is there a rule anywhere that says thats how the comm operates?
  Or are we just all supposed to assume potentially any comm is run by the invisible and artibrary whims and unstated rulesets of mods?
  They're not... I don't think they are upset they cannot participate in a comm they did not participate in. That's not the point.
  The point is the the princple, or lack thereof.
  If you want to have an instance wide rule that actually codifies, in some way, the ability of admins/powermods to ban anyone, from anywhere, for any reason... then that would be shitty, but at least openly and transparently shitty.
  Then at least Dictatorship of the Daveletariat would at least be, you know, explicitly stated policy?
  ... does such a public facing rule or ruleset already exist, and I just missed it?
  
  I was just pointing out that there are multiple communities on the threadiverse that do the same thing, including some hosted on this very instance! A community moderator's job is to grow a community and if a person isn't a right fit for the community why would a moderator want to keep them around, especially if they are disruptive to the community
  
  Ok, so they deserve being banned for ... breaking an undefined rule.
  That's your position?
  EDIT: the whole problem here is this person got banned from a comm they'd never been to... for spamming.
  That doesn't make sense.
  You saying them being banned from a comm they'd never been to... for disrupting that comm... also does not make any sense.
  The other element of this problem is powermods (by which I mean people who mod multiple comms) and admins banning people from one place for infractions committed in another, and then potentially daisy chaining through private convos between mods... when said banned person isn't really clearly violating stated rules that have that stated penalty outcome.
  That is exactly the kind of hivemind/culty bullshit that is what people hate about reddit, that there's basically just a cool kids club that doesn't actually follow any rules with any consistency, and just acts as a kind of Mean Girls squad, exiling and censoring people ... basically for annoying them or making fools of them.
  Its middle school mentality. Vibes based moderation. Censorship by popularity contest, where only the cool kids get to vote on that.
  
  I'm sure it's not suspicious at all that she woke up her account after 8 months to say this and then leave. Not at all.
  
  Welp I didn't bother to check that, but ... yeah.
  Very normal, typical active user behavior right there, lol.
  
  And she's downvoting us for calling it out. I'm willing to bet she'll be offline again by the end of the week.
  Edit: hey she's already turned off her account after 2 days! New record.
  
  Alt accounts get very eepy, they need lots of time to eep, ok?!
  
  Oh so eepy, and somehow she's back after months in this one thread.
  
  Or maybe I prefer to lurk and spend more time offline? What is this bad-faith misogyny directed at me for?
  
  Misogyny?
  Being eepy implies being... a woman?
  ... ???
  Also, ... lurking... is an online activity.
  You'd either have to be doing it anonymously, or with a different account.
  So... you can't lurk online and be offline at the same time, that's a contradiction...
  And its also just generally weird that'd you'd only pop in and become an active poster... for the purposes of making nonsensical arguments regarding meta drama.
  Sure, its not 100% confirmation that... you're just sock puppeting through an alt account... but its very strange, a very nontypical behavior pattern for the user account of more or less an internet forum.
  You say you mostly lurk, but you also have very strong opinions about... the moderation of communities... you... don't actually engage with?
  Odd.
  
  It's just odd. And somehow sexist to point it out. And somehow we've defended it before. Just ignore the lack of users Diva told us who do it.
  https://lemvotes.org/user/SoftQuartz@lemmy.dbzer0.com
  Totally normal user. Not at all suspicious that they are active for one thread and then goes off for months.
  But I guess it's somehow weird to call it out. She's normal for "lurking" and also somehow being subject to mod actions for months. While not posting or doing anything for months.
  
  And she's offline already for over 5 days. Wow it's like we were right and she couldn't get her own story straight. Huh. Surely this means nothing.
  
  posts for the first time in months
  immediately has dudes looking through her post history to declare her a fake nontypical user account
  These people are all terminally online and complaining about the exact behavior that they are fine with when it's people they agree with doing it.
  
  oh that was me downvoting you. rather than address anything she said you two were sneering at her for agreeing with me and saying she's on an alt account.
  absolutely toxic behavior from you specifically 90% of the time, tbh I tend to toss you one when I see you on general principle.
  
  More bad faith bullshit, I downvoted you one time in this post "She won’t acknowledge shit." You two are so dogmatic about tankies you are attacking me because I disagree with your boys club
  
  That is exactly the kind of hivemind/culty bullshit that is what people hate about reddit, that there’s basically just a cool kids club that doesn’t actually follow any rules with any consistency, and just acts as a kind of Mean Girls squad, exiling and censoring people … basically for annoying them or making fools of them.
  Its middle school mentality. Vibes based moderation. Censorship by popularity contest, where only the cool kids get to vote on that.
  You could easily be referring to all the people raging about 'the tankie triad' with this.
  The vast majority of the time I look at someone complaining about getting censored on .ml they were either being bigoted or insulting people.
  As for vibes based moderation and censoring people for actions in other places, I got banned from quokk.au by their admin for 'brigading' because I cross-linked to a db0 thread complaining about the OPs mod actions. 'brigading' is nowhere in the site rules for quokk.au as far as I'm aware. I am also the only person to have ever been banned by quokk.au in this way so far.
  I was banned for 'homophobia' by OP because I complained about his post having a misogynistic title.
  You are literally the one defending a powermod who bans people in retaliation, because they got banned from one comm that they clearly despise for being a toxic asshole.
  
  My position is that if you don't like a community then you should not go there to be disruptive. When someone continues to disrupt a community that they dislike it is within the moderators duties to stop that. I support the moderators on divisionbyzero who use that to curate positive communities, just the other day another moderator made a now locked post saying they do the exact same thing complained about by the OP. I also have a reply from Diva saying that the OP has done this same action so I stand by my PTB statement.
  
  Ok so you're missing the entire basis point of why this is absurd.
  They got banned from a comm they'd never been to, never posted in... because they were apparently 'spamming'.
  You... can't have spammed a community that you've never made a post or comment in.
  ... Also, you say you stand by your PTB statement?
  Your original statement, the inciting thing for this whole comment chain... is you issuing a YDI verdict.
  Not a PTB verdict.
  Those two are basically total opposites.
  ... Are you confused?
  Like, just generally?
  
  Ok so you’re missing the entire basis point of why this is absurd.
  a basis point is a finance unit for 1/100th of a percent, you could just drop the 'basis' and your sentence would make sense.
  really funny that you started your whole diatribe about her being confused by botching your own word usage.
  
  I don't really care about butchering the english language, so don't come at me. usually I treat it with the respect it deserves, which is none. the irony, however, was excellent
  I got banned from 27 communities on quokk.au for something which is not in their rules, because they were simply justifying retaliation against me for calling the OP out.
  I don't think this is a principled complaint that you have.
  
  Stop acting like you're innocent.
  They banned you for brigading after you posted links on hexbear directing users to a post you had made about OP.
  
  She supports left unity when anarchists are attacked but not when they defend from AuthComs. She always defends them but not us.
  Edit: "I defend anarchists, I just mod a place that hates them and defend Hexbear and Dengists and everyone but anyone more individualist than Lenin. And calling out user actions is sexist."
  I'm not "feeling attacked", I'm calling out bad faith from someone who always defends the aggressor.
  
  I call out people for being sectarian against anarchists. It's literally in the rules one of the comms I mod. I'm not going to defend someone that's being shitty just because they're an anarchist.
  I try to report users being ableist when I see it regardless of who it is.
  if you're feeling attacked because I called out one of your friends for something I saw as misogynistic, maybe that says more about you than you intended.
  
  And calling out user actions is sexist.
  Nowhere did I say that, however I did think that one of OP's thread title was misogynist, and he banned me for saying that. He also said it was homophobic to even raise the issue, but again you don't care when it's your friends doing it.
  I literally do anarchist organizing IRL, I am an anarchist. Anarchism isn't being in the 'right' online clique, as important as that clearly is to you.
  
  please direct me to where anything about 'brigading' is mentioned in their rules. it's vibes based bullshit, they banned me because I made a post about their mod acting like an asshole and they went looking for an excuse.
  they site banned me for a singular link in a comment on a thread, not even to their site. meanwhile the OP is acting like a martyr for getting a singular comm ban
  you moderate for them though, so I can see why you would be inclined to defend their behavior
  
  There aren't any rules, and you shouldn't need to be told not to brigade.
  You're from .ML with a personal vendetta, so I can see why you would be inclined to slander them.
  
  No rules except the ones you make up to get rid of people you don't like.
  not beating the vibes based moderation allegations with that.
  I'm literally the only person to get banned from quokk.au and it's a rule essentially made up on the spot.
  is cross-posting brigading now?
  the person I was originally replying to seemed pretty outraged at the idea of decisions being made arbitrarily like that- but I'm sure if you guys do it it's fine.
  I don't think it's reasonable to say I have a personal vendetta, I'm just bringing this up because the OP is acting like getting banned from one comm for acting like a toxic asshole is actually dictatorial mods banning someone arbitrarily.
  
  I recently got community banned by OP for 'homophobia', because I pointed out their misogynistic post title, I then got site banned w/ remove account from the OP's admin, because they didn't like that I cross posted the link to my own thread on db0
  OP is making a big stink over shit he does himself, all of these rules are selectively enforced. people just rend their garments when .ml does it

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