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Venezuela calls Trump airspace closure warning 'colonialist threat'

www.bbc.com Venezuela calls Trump airspace closure warning 'colonialist threat'

The US says it is fighting drugs smuggling, but Venezuela says Donald Trump's aim is to topple President Nicolás Maduro.

Venezuela has accused Donald Trump of making a "colonialist threat" after he said the airspace around the country should be considered closed.

The country's foreign ministry called Trump's comments "another extravagant, illegal and unjustified aggression against the Venezuelan people".

The US does not legally have the authority to close another country's airspace, but Trump's online post could lead to travel uncertainty and deter airlines from operating there.

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Venezuela calls Trump airspace closure warning 'colonialist threat'

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As Epstein files release looms, questions abound on what happens next: ‘Possibilities are endless’
- If the prediction markets weren't all owned by Trump and his cronies I would bet that boots go on the ground whatever day they are supposed to turn over the files.
  
  I’m ignorant of the culture and structure of these markets still.
  Would the market have to set up a bet for this? Can you propose it? How would it work?
- he using nixons method, go to war with drugs/vietnam, in order distract from his political problems, its a time honored tradition amongst conservatives.
  
  Nixon's war on drugs was for voter disenfranchisement, not distraction.
  The war in Vietnam was for the US's absolutely rabid anti-communism and racist yellow peril

I’m old enough to remember when trump would pretend to be opposed to foreign military adventures. He literally built his political career on shitting on the neocons that launched us into illegal wars like what we did in Iraq.
- Im certain the nobel commitee is currently scrambling how to not give him an award without triggering an international incident.
  And the actions surrounding Venzuela kinda prove that Trump is willing to go to war to receive his peace price.
- You're not wrong. But what is missing is all the cult building that he did since them. He built his entire political career on mentioning things other politicians refused to mention and then gaining loyalty for it. While, at the same time, literally doing nothing about any of the popular ideas he mentioned.
- Remember when he was against running for president and even joining the political scene entirely?

Just so it's clear, Venezuela has ample oil, and holds one of the world's top ten supplies of fresh water.
- Didn't they also heavily develop a lithium extraction industry in the last decade or so?
  
  no, that was Bolivia
- Does the Swiss based Nestle want the water for their plastic bottles?
- i think they have 2nd highest amount of oil/gas deposit outside of the ME.
  
  Actually they have the largest proven oil reserve in the world, although it is a composition that needs more processing to turn into fuel. Which may make it unique for precursors for certain plastics, pharmaceuticals or advanced materials.
  Top estimated reserves are:
  Venezuela 48 Gm³
  KSA 42 Gm³
  Iran 33 Gm³
  Canada 26 Gm³
  As for gas reserves, it's
  Russia 47.8 Tm³
  Iran 33.5 Tm³
  Qatar 24.3 Tm³
  USA 9.1 Tm³

What's even the thought there, you shot boats claiming they had drugs on them, are they claiming every plane is also carrying drugs? Why wouldn't they just intercept them at the runway in the U.S. to sieze the drugs if any of it was drugs coming to the U.S. supposedly?
- Because it was never about drugs.
  
  Well, it definitely wasn't about the friends we made along the way. We're actively trying to backstab each and every one.
- I'm sure you'll figure it out when they start 'finding drugs' on their domestic enemies.
- Agreed. And why not just intercept the boats too? More proof that it wasn’t about the drugs.
- They're trying to put all the fish in one barrel. They're doing a similar tactic with trans people in the US by fucking with passports
- Precursor to an invasion. It’s basically a warning to the rest of the world: all flights going to, from, or through Venezuelan air space would do well to divert around it because soon that air space is going to be a war zone.
- Why wouldn’t they just intercept them at the runway
  Gotta justify $850 billion military budget somehow, plus Donny and Petey get a hate boner blowing up brown people
- They have answered that question and they said that "the drugs" in those planes is still in transit between other countries. So the planes and boats are not directly going to the US but indirectly.
  Allegedly.
- He's showing he's trying to be a real threat. Now they're sending in the military to scare Venezuela into a good deal for resources or else.
  It won't work. Internally, Congress is already calling out the illegality of attacking the boats. Congress won't allow a war and has already figured this out enough to tell the military to not follow illegal orders. It's still a sticky situation, but Venezuela's best move is to warn people and wait it out.
- What’s even the thought there
  There will be airfights and Trump is minimizing civilian casualities.
  
  Airfights? You mean an invasion by the United States trying to wage a massacre on a sovereign nation for nothing other than trying to rob the working class and give money to the rich?
  He couldn't give a fuck about civilians. He's a murderer, a rapist, a fraud, and he prays on the misfortuned
  
  Trump is minimizing civilian casualties
  Hahaha. Right.
  As he literally murders civilians in international waters

Oh, Mr Nobel peace prize is just grouchy.
- Sooo.. Venezuela might be the 51st state in the USA soon?
- Mrs. Nobel peace prize is inviting him in with open arms, so he might as well get the next one

China closes the airspace over Taiwan
Has a different meaning to everyone when you change the country names
- I don't think it does.
- To me it doesn't. It is still bad. At least with China and Taiwan we know what they want, with Venezuela it is just speculation. Nobody believes it is drugs.
  My speculation is that he isn't planning to invade and this is to push Venezuela and other Latin American countries to develop closer relationship with Russia. He did it with Iran, China, India and others.
  
  We know what they want in Venezuela too. It's their oil reserves.
  
  Speculation? Let me speculate it's the same reason as Iraq 2, Iraq 1, Iran (Shah)...
  
  It’s also to reduce Russia’s influence in South America.
- Honestly this comment is just so confusing and baffling I'm just dumbfounded. What on earth do you mean? The relationship between China and taiwan is nothing like the relationship between the US and Venezuela
  Edit: even if it was...why would it just be presumed to be cool that China close the airspace around Taiwan? Wtf
  
  That's rather the point? See how ridiculous is sounds in a different context?
  
  If the usa invades sovereign and peaceful Venezuela there should be sanctions and retribution, the same way as Russia invading Ukraine. What is missing in the current situation is condemning the usa the same way as when China talks about Taiwan; two standards.
  
  Henry Rollins would be shaking his head at your lack of understanding
- Just ml and hexbear on that one
- Perhaps go with the original.
  Russia illegally annexes Crimea.
  
  Israel colonizes Gaza.
- Why? Venezuela is not a portion of the USA. This is straight US invasion. Like Zionists inventing “Israel” and invading Palestine.
  
  Taiwan has never been ruled by the PRC though
  
  So you mean it's exactly like China and Taiwan?

Don’t worry everyone. Some democrat will post a very safe and polite tweet soon.
- They write a sternly worded letter.

it is.
- It be
  
  It do

I mean it's basically just declaring war. It's the US acting unilaterally to attack a foreign nation for no reason at all. Granted that's nothing new, but at least with Iraq and Afghanistan, Bush got permission from Congress through the Iraq Resolution (and the AUMF Against Terrorists Act in Afghanistan's case) before he actually invaded. I get the feeling Trump isn't even going to ask, he's just going to attack Venezuela, get dragged into a war, and die.
Then again, Obama attacked Libya without congressional approval, and while Congress could have done something about it, they didn't.
- They have oil. That's the reason.
  
  It's not even good oil though! It's hard to refine.

Accurate and undeniable.
- Wouldn't 'Imperialist' be more accurate than 'Colonist' though?
  I don't think Trump wants a new American Colony in Venezuela, he just wants their resources and (unpaid) labor.
  
  It's close enough geographically that I wouldn't be surprised if there's an attempt to FREEDOM them into being the 51st State
  
  So basically an unofficial colony?

why not do something useful like ATTACK RUSSIA!
fucking traitors.

He's desperate to use anything he can to declare martial law, either by triggering mass anti-war protests or simply using the war as an excuse to suspend elections.

Thr anti-war candidate, according to the nyt and wapo opinion sections
- War = Peace

Fuck this nazi shit country of the united christofascist goat fucking america

It Is a colonialist threat

Well, this is the new world order now. This is what Russia drove the world into: it's now ok for larger countries to just annex (parts of) smaller countries.
If other nations don't like it, just hang on to it until enough people forget that you didn't own it in the first place.
- Pretty much what is happening in the Middle East right now too. And mind you if Venezuela didn't have oil, the US wouldn't care at all.
  
  Russia has oil. Why not fucking conquer them and save Ukraine while he's at it? he'd be a world hero.
  
  Yeah, and also that one (at least the latest escalation) happened after Russia normalized it. Also a possibility that Russia made it happen to make people get distracted from Ukraine.
- Russia is a genocidal gangster petro-state, led by a criminal wanted by the ICC, that should be kicked out of Ukraine, but credit where credit is due: the most recent era of great power military adventurism started when the US ignored the UN and international law to invade Iraq in 2003. So if we want to talk about who drove the world in this shit, the answer is clearly the USA.
  
  Imagine a world where the USA, after 9/11, took up Iran's offer to negotiate with Afghanistan in order to extradite Osama bin Laden and dismantle al Qaeda. (Iran together with Pakistan were positioned to succeed at this, and practically begged the USA to let them do so.)
  Imagine Osama bin Laden goes to the Hague and is tried for his crimes. He goes to prison, no death penalty and no martyrdom, to rot away while the world gets on without him.
  Imagine no black sites, no Guantanamo Bay. No Iraq war, and therefore no Daesh. No Afghanistan war, and therefore no opiates epidemic.
  Imagine how Russia and the Middle East might have evolved in such a climate. Where would Europe be today, in that timeline? Would democracies across the globe have progressed, instead of backslide?
  
  Back when this kicked off, Putin even cited a bunch of laws the UN drafted to justify the Iraq invasion.
- Israel is a fan of this method as well.

If I were you, I would get out of Venezuela! - Our President.
Then shuts down their airspace and starts blowing up boats.
No escape from the christofascist murderers.

Every single fucking MAGAt, including Barron, should be lining up at the US Army recruiting offices signing up for 11 Bravo.
- And every single liberal should be protesting this in all the ways they've been saying Russian civilians ought to.

Just wait 'til Trump sets his eyes on Colombia and Panama. There's a reason he's unilaterally renamed that gulf...

It's not a colonialist threat. It's effectively an act of war.

what the fuck

Iraq War: Arepas Edition

Russia conducts special military operations, while the US is fighting terrorism. It's all the same. Except our media outlets - in the case of my country, mostly American - will only speak about one of the two. Let's do our best to spread the word more or less evenly.
All empires will fall. They have to. Otherwise there's no future for humanity.

I'm hoping that the chain-of-command is so broken because of the bumblefucks in charge at the top that Venezuela actually gets some good licks in ala Ukraine to Russia.
I know its doubtful, but a man can dream.

Maybe we could liberate a certain modeling agency based there and nothing else. Besides, I'm sure the women in this country would rejoice if that were to happen. ;-)

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