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Alex Jones is profiting from his new game on Steam — while refusing to pay the Sandy Hook families he defamed

Following his trial for defamation of the families of the children and school staff killed in the Sandy Hook massacre, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is using Valve Corp.’s Steam, the world’s largest digital distribution platform for PC games, to sell an Infowars-themed video game. Jones claims to have earned hundreds of thousands in revenue from the video game, yet he has refused to pay the Sandy Hook families. Alex Jones: NWO Wars also mirrors and cartoonishly repackages the conspiracy theorist’s regularly violent, hateful rhetoric despite the platform’s policies against hate speech.

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  • You asked if my favorite podcast had a pizzagate episode.

    Yes. Thanks for that. Sincerely.

    I don't like talking about pizzagate because every claim is dumb.

    A lazy, blanket statement leading to this lengthy thread.

    The only thing interesting about pizzagate is how strongly people can hold on to beliefs with zero backing

    It's also interesting how claims that it was debunked dissolve when examined.

    the fact there is no evidence backing it up

    I linked to some evidence. It's hard to do so now that search engines have been scrubbed and voat has died.

    Why would anyone believe it?

    Because the claims are not impossible, or even unlikely.

    The more I say, the more you shift and want me to look elsewhere.

    At the beginning I gave you the NYT and a steemit link with additional evidence. Nothing has shifted.

    You link some homophobic shit. It's clear to me that anyone who could read that doc and not be embarrassed that they are trying to spook you with that picture, is not worth engaging with.

    I didn't write it. There are not a lot of other options that search engines index. Just view the pictures if the text offends you.

    Your lies are consequence free.

    All the linked evidence is factual. I've not drawn any conclusions. Not sure what I could have lied about.

    Is there anyone (journalist, pundit,...) with a reputation to protect that says anything about this?

    This was the closest

    Can you show where I had expressed any desire to debunk this?

    Whenever you state that every pizzagate claim is dumb.

    The only document you have has claims that no one can be serious about. I'm asking you to remove those.

    Ok. I'll remove everything from that document except for this

    • Is there anyone (journalist, pundit,...) with a reputation to protect that says anything about this?

      This was the closest

      No one will touch this with a 10-foot pole. People that the pizzagaters victimized have been hurt, and some of the worst offenders of the conspiracy theory were arrested. No one will put a stake on this.

      All the people that used to talk about this have disappeared. There once was a rush when people were talking about that document. Adding new threads. Making connections. This was going to be it. But nothing came.

      I believe you may be chasing a high that was at its peak when it looked like pieces were coming together.

      Everything fizzled. Now you're trying to get strangers worried about a list of files. It's not the same.

      The emperor has no clothes here. No one else will put their reputation on the line.

      I'm sure you have people in your life that you get along fine with. This is, provide no one brings this up. That has to feel isolating. Most people have moved on.

      I was being honest. I'm not interested in pizzagate. But I have heard from so many people describing what it was like to have once believed it. And what it felt like when they were able to reconnect with people who pushed them away.

      Obviously, I don't know you. You're fine to tell me I'm way off base. We're strangers here, but it's just food for irl-thought.

      • People that the pizzagaters victimized have been hurt, and some of the worst offenders of the conspiracy theory were arrested.

        One crazy person has been jailed. No-one was hurt. All because the police failed to investigate.

        All the people that used to talk about this have disappeared.

        Because there is nothing new to talk about. Although if someone had done a thorough debunking then that would be new information of interest.

        I believe you may be chasing a high that was at its peak when it looked like pieces were coming together.

        This may be true for people searching the Internet and finding clues. Crowdsourced Sherlock Holmes. I only got interested when the crackdown happened, subreddits were closed and journalists silenced. Then claims of debunking popped up (usually without logical argument).

        Debunking is much more interesting, scientific and rigorous than the actual conspiracies. James Randi, moon landings, aliens, 9/11. You learn a lot from a good debunk (hence my interest in your favourite podcast)

        Now you're trying to get strangers worried about a list of files.

        No, I'm trying to establish if it has been debunked. That there is no possibility of truth in the claims.

        If you said pizzagate was unlikely, dubious or unconfirmed then I would agree and we wouldn't be having this exchange.

        The emperor has no clothes here.

        Neither do the debunkers following behind.

        • Did you ever used to post at 4chan?

          • No. Too difficult to follow conversations. My exposure has been 2nd hand by reddit or reformed text

            • i used to post on 4chan all the time. the hard to follow part was a feature. It let's you see only the good stuff in a way that's hard to explain, but I'll try.

              The fun of 4chan is that everyone is full of shit. In fact, there posts about how much shit everyone else is full of. It's fun.

              So how do you have fun on 4chan? It's easy. You lie. You're anonymous. It's consequence free.

              It's been said that people like "bad jokes" because jokes split the room into two groups: those that get it and those that don't. A "bad joke" has a very forced punchline so that everyone gets the joke. There is no split in the room. Everyone hates the joke together.

              A lie on 4chan splits the readership. Those that are ready to debunk anything. And those that "yes, and..."

              The "bad lies" were no fun. Easy debunk, no one elaborating. The other lies were the fun ones.

              The debunking group is the loudest, most numerous, and had tons of fun. There were infographics on how to tell if the user was pretending to be two different people ("samef--"). There were infographics on how to see photoshop artifacts. All kinds of good skeptical reasoning and debunking tools. The debunkers proved the liars lied.

              The debunkers would share huge greentext png files of reformated text laying out how full of shit that all the liars are.

              The other group had a different kind of fun. They found that if they see an obvious lie, they "yes, and...". That's an improv cliche that means you fully accept the OP's premise and develop it fuller yourself.

              Wrestling fans would call it "kayfabe". Horror fiction on reddit has "nosleep" rules. It's in general, a willful supension of disbelief. These are "metarules" in a sense. They are rules saying it's against the rules to mention the rules.

              Of course the yes-anders got debunked to hell and back. There are all kinds of greentext proving it.

              But, the yes-anders shared greentext too. They had huge pngs full of undebunked truth. It was easy to do. It's all lies, and they are editing this huge png files. They just leave off an debunking.

              Is it really that easy to just cut out the debunking? Wouldn't it just be easy to check?

              HELL NO. That's the fucking point of 4chan.

              Too difficult to follow conversations. My exposure has been 2nd hand by reddit or reformed text

              It is IMPOSSIBLE to follow conversations. Everyone is only responding to what they came to see. There's no "I'll get back to that". You got to spew your shit while the shit is flying. Or you miss the fun.

              This is where the debunkers always lose. There is just too much shit to debunk.

              People reform the text into the png files I was mentioning. Put out a mountain of stuff. IGNORE ALL CONTRAPOINTS. And there are some people that believe them. When I said

              I’m sure 99% of posts about pizzagate are LARPing really. (I think the same of Flat Earth. At least, way back when.)

              I mean, they are the yes-anders. The people pretending to believe it because its fun to watch people try to debunk things when they never admit other, plausible explanations. I would have to say that the "99%" figure is an uneducated statement, so your guess is as good as mine.

              But there are those that see this spread without any debunking because the debunking is lost. And anyone that tried was driven crazy by people pretending not to understand. So it's now an echo chamber of those that fell for it.

              4chan was fun. I'm glad I quit.

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