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  • I want to start by saying that I know I played a part in letting this spiral out of control. For my part in escalating the situation, I apologise. I do not want this to keep escalating. I want to explain where I was coming from and why I made the choices I did. For starters, I was suffering, and still am, from a loss in my family. I try to keep my personal life separate, but anxiety still seeps through. I'll try to keep that under control better.

    I banned dbzer0 users because it looked like my community was being brigaded. Other communities have also banned dbzer0 users for vote manipulation.

    I shared what I thought was clear evidence of this, and the response I got was that admins cannot control what their users do, while at the same time, I was held responsible for the language one of my users used. To show that I'm reaching out in good faith, I went ahead and banned that user.

    When I tried to talk about it, I was called a nazi and a fascist, then banned along with people who defended me. That was painful. I have spent years challenging extremists of all kinds, from nazis to tankies to QAnons to religious fundamentalists. I have been banned from many far-right sites and communities for speaking against them. I helped shut down Ruqqus and /r/uncensorednews, which were crawling with neo-nazis. To then be called a nazi myself is deeply hurtful.

    I know why these accusations are thrown. They are meant to sting, serving as shorthand, and are intended to shut down dialogue. But for me, it's personal, it cuts deep because I have consistently stood against those movements.

    MoG has been targeted again and again because it is one of the only communities that openly stands against the Tankie Triad. We have had doxxing, bot spam, DDoSing, fake accounts, fake nudes, and harassment campaigns.

    Much of this has come from the same circles that your instance federates with. This is not just disagreement; it is a real security problem for us and for Lemmy as a whole.

    There is also the concern of tankies infiltrating the dbzer0 instance in bad faith. They present themselves as part of the broader left, but their goal is to shift conversations, defend authoritarian regimes, and undermine anyone who challenges them. This makes it difficult to separate genuine users from those acting with an agenda, and it creates an environment where communities like mine feel targeted rather than supported.

    Some of these prominent tankies are Diva, Cowbee and Davel (lemmy.ml admin),

    Diva is a prominent liar and openly a tankie.

    Davel is a lemmy.ml admin, who regularly defends authoritarian states and bans anyone critical of them, they want to combine Anarchists and Tankies together, and removes posts critical of Putin's Russia killing women and children. And that's just a few examples of the many.

    Cowbee is also openly a tankie, who defends Imperialist China, actively calls users critical of the CCP racist, and defends dictatorships like North Korea

    Tankies have a long history of using and betraying anarchists. Look at Kronstadt, the Russian Civil War, or Mao’s crackdown on anarchist movements. They speak in leftist language but always bend it back into authoritarian ends. I am saying that because the pattern is real and worth being clear about.

    That is why MoG has strict rules about tankie rhetoric in our space. It is not arbitrary. It is because tankies consistently try to worm their way into leftist communities, blur the lines, and convince people that opposing them is just infighting. Yet what they defend is authoritarianism, state violence, and repression. We have decided not to platform that and instead to speak out against it.

    So here is where I stand now. I have undone the bans. I want to move forward in good faith. I do not want fellow anti-authoritarians treated as enemies when we already face larger threats. I am asking for the same in return. Please do not brand me or my community as fascist or nazi when our record clearly shows the opposite.

    We all oppose capitalism and authoritarianism alike. That is the fight worth putting our energy into. Not tearing each other down.

    To quote db0: Campism, not even once, kids.

    @irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com @Snowpix@lemmy.ca @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com @eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com @Sunshine@lemmy.ca @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world @PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social @Canyon201@lemmy.world

      1. Doing ban evasion in order to take part in this converation in this specific community, instead of making a separate post in some other place like MoG, seems like a mistake
      2. I've also seen coordinated voting fraud from dbzer0 users. I talked about some details here. I'm not sure that banning all dbzer0 users is the right response to that. I mostly decided that some people were bein' silly boys, and that either the impact would be pretty minor and who cares, or else it would be major enough to show a clear fingerprint and then at that point it can become a bigger Lemmy drama issue. I think in general getting tangled up in vote-legitimacy wrangling isn't productive because it's always going to be impossible to see if any given voting pattern is or isn't legit with 100% fidelity (and people can't even agree on what are the broad boundaries of legitimate ways to vote in the first place).
      3. What's up with that example I brought up about PugJesus not wanting to be a MoG moderator and you making him one anyway and keeping him on, and then later making a big show of kicking him out asserting that he was a Zionist? If I have in fact understood that whole sequence of events correctly, that was super sus to me.
      4. I've interacted with Cowbee and Diva at least. Cowbee is deeply deluded, I have no idea whether he's sincere about what he's saying and I don't care, but Diva is generally sincere as far as I can tell. She just comes from a different perspective. Your whole example "liar" is just a quick misunderstanding about pronouns that got cleared up in about 2 minutes.
      5. I won't say it's "tankies" infiltrating dbzer0; I do think that Lemmy as a whole has a heavy scattering of loud people wandering around trying to create "campism" as you say and turn people against each other, whether intentionally or just as a by-product of how they interact. I would say that more than I would say it's one "camp" doing it. I also don't think you leaning into extra spicy inter instance drama in this fashion is a good solution to that, I think it's likely to make things 10 times worse (which I guess is what you're trying to say with this whole apology, so fine.) But I don't think focusing the whole thing around "tankies" and still giving people a badge of "enemy" is a good thing to do regardless. I think trying to make nice with dbzer0 while still holding out this category of "the enemy people on Lemmy we're both going to be fighting against" is kind of a lost cause approach. It's okay to be just independent, call out bullshit when you see it, and if bullshit happens to be clustered especially on the triad instances then fine you can point it out. But I think you are unintentionally continuing the same tribalism or campism that is the actual underlying issue with even this whole apology comment.
        1. I considered that, but opted not to since I don't want MoG to flood this community. MoG's much larger and if just a tiny amount of MoG users come to brigade this one, I'd be quite the hypocrite!
        2. I'd had some other community mods message me about the vote manipulation, specifically coming from dbzer0 users as well. A solution would just remove downvotes, really don't see the point of them.
        3. oh that was a bug or some shit, or Pug didn't know how to actually leave as a mod. I think we had an argument about Israel, where I was criticising his position, and I wasn't a fan of his moderation. He said he'd leave as mod, so I was all like go right ahead. On my end, he never left, but apparently on his end, he kept being promoted to mod. Then he went on the ban spree, and I think I fixed it by manually removing him using a frontend or something.
        4. Both are openly tankies.
        5. The apology is not just for dbzer0, it's for users like you as well ❤️‍
    • It's alright. And i'm sorry for your loss.

      @goat@sh.itjust.works

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