You Don't Fix Anything By Getting Rid of Democracy and Transparency
It's not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.
But if someone is too toxic consistently, we tend to get rid of them.
What if they are admins that seem to follow someone or at least constantly be needlessly rude and aggressive towards and lie about a certain individual?
(Not to make any claims or anything about dbzer0 being tankie)
Anyone solid in our instance can request an admin recall with a vote
So, if there is a feedback loop where if dbzer0 users are ultimately okay with an admin harassing people, then the toxicity can persist? As long as they can convince others with lies then the admin can get away with it? That "tend to" in my quote seems to be doing some real heavy lifting, from my perspective.
You'd prefer that one person decide by fiat what's OK or not? I don't know about you but I find democracy superior to dictatorship, even when nominally "benevolent" .
So, obvious harassment and toxicity needs to be put to a vote for any action to be taken? Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree on that one.
Why not post on !modabuse@lemmy.sdf.org if you want to report such abuse on a place where db0 admins can't intervene?
Since sdf is federated with dbzer0, then how is it safe from the dbzer0 mob? As you can see, lemmy.world/support was not safe either.
I really just want them all to leave me alone.
I meant that they can't remove the post or comments, not that they can't comment
I don't see how that's helpful at all. What does that do? At best get some validation?
I just happen to be particularly unskilled at convincing others and I can get riled up easily when someone needlessly tries to bully me. That shouldn't qualify me for the treatment I've received here on Lemmy, but that's not how it's worked out.
I hate this place.
So then you can use that post to support your claims when you say you are getting bullied
I hate this place.
Advice was given on other threads. There are probably topics that you like that are not meta related. You can focus on those.
"Create a different account"
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"Spend a bunch of time carefully curating a list of comms that don't have toxic users."
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"Spend your own time and effort in order to avoid people needlessly being assholes to you because nothing else will happen to help the situation. They will continue to get away with it and others will support them for it."
That's not exactly making a good case for staying.
theres always the superior alternative !YPTBcirclejerk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Clearly, it's not "obvious" at all. Again, we anarchists tend to prefer democracy over dictatorship.
I wasn't necessarily referring only to the specific circumstance. I was also pointing out the flaw in the logic of "only democracy".
Again, my point was that a common feedback loop and/or an alignment of a person's toxicity can easily protect someone from justice. Similar to what is happening to the US political parties, particularly the Republican party. Plenty of people align and agree with what is happening and thus it is allowed to continue and even escalate.
As long as someone can paint a better picture and have a following to support then, then a person can get away with seemingly anything at dbzer0. Just gotta get those votes from the people willing and able to participate during the voting period.
What's your superior alternative?
I'm supposed to have a "superior alternative" to point out the issues in a system?
How about just simply take action under some circumstances where it makes sense. Don't let admins/mods/users get away with being toxic. Use logic and reasoning and put aside your own biases to look at a situation more objectively.
I just want these toxic dbzer0 users to leave me alone. Why is that so hard to understand? Do I need to create some formal case and put it to vote on an instance that I've blocked because I want to avoid it and their toxic users all because I can't get away from these people who attack me for a simple disagreement of opinion?
So your suggest is that I just act by fiat against the other mods?
I don't know mate, I feel like your issues would be resolved if you didn't go in random threads and start badmouthing our instance as a whole and then complain the our users try to defend it.
There you go. "badmouthing". "try to defend it." This is it right here. The fact you call that behavior "defending" is appalling and insulting. That there shows precisely my issues with you, the admins, and the instance as a whole. You and your group are willing to lie and twist whatever you need to turn the situation into your favor. As long as you have your followers, you'll get away with it, too.
Anyone who has a reasonable issue is "badmouthing" and the toxic admins who antagonize and escalate are just "trying to defend".
Fuck right off with that.
Why not just blocking them?
Because then they can't keep playing the victim.
For people reading this
I'm not sure that comment serves you the most, but sure
Maybe not, depending on if people already made up their mind to side with that person or against me, then yeah it won't serve me much.
They were very clearly being needlessly antagonistic and accusatory towards someone who was trying to defend others being harassed and help get rid of a horribly toxic user.
The start of it makes no sense, either. Why would I have known at all about some other alts being banned from dbzer0 when I had blocked the instance a long time ago? No one brought that up at all nor does it matter in the context of the issue at hand.
Honestly, if that's not obvious and someone thinks that comment is fine, then that is a perfect example of why I'm starting to hate Lemmy.