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No, the Repubs are also evil.
What is your solution? How are you proposing fascism be stopped?
- You're right about organizing outside of elections. You're wrong about "elections alone cannot fix it therefore throw your ballot in the garbage." Whatever the solution is, I would rather attempt it under a slower transition into fascism.
  
  Fascism comes from continuously deteriorating material conditions, not from whichever party is in power. Harris is already campaigning on improving conditions for "small business owners," continuing Capitalism in decay continues fascism's ascent. My point is that voting will not slow down or speed up fascism, that's something that comes with the economic conditions of society and the class relations within.
  
  There's no difference between Harris's "small business owners" and Donald's "dictator day one" in terms of fascism, I see.
  
  What do you think fascism is? A mold? The Democrats are not anti-fascist, they are the polite face of a duopoly.
  
  Sorry, I'll try to go with your definition of fascism. So fascism is when protestors are arrested, either because they deliberately got themselves arrested or if they are snatched up in black vans.
  We went over this. Both sides bad. Ratchet effect. Therefore instead of trying to rest against a tooth, let it click backwards another step.
  
  You can't "rest against a tooth," the positions of the parties aren't unflinching, unchanging policies but reflections of economic conditions. The Democrats haven't abandoned Medicare for All because the Republicans vibed themselves to the right and they followed, but because economic conditions are deteriorating as disparity rises.
  You're taking the ratchet effect metaphor far too literally. As the Material Conditions change, so too do the policies of the ruling parties, they are not guided by popular sentiment.
  
  Whether we are under Dems or Repubs, economic conditions are the exact same for everyone, I see. Are student loans the right direction? No, of course, Dems deliberately caused Repubs to obstruct that. Dems are Repubs. Therefore throw a ballot in the trash.
  
  Are you capable of answering my comment in good-faith? I do not give a hoot who you vote for, voting for Harris will not stop fascism, and neither will voting for Stein or Crúz, nor will voting for Trump, obviously. Fascism is Capitalism in decay. Disparity is rapidly rising regardless of who is in power.
  It's the fact that economic conditions move in the same direction regardless of which party is in power that a vote for Harris does not slow fascism down. Fascism is not synonymous with Republican. Fascism isn't a policy that can be enacted. Fascism is a defense mechanism for decaying Capitalism, and neither party being in power will change the overwhelming force of that decay as Capitalism continues to swell to the point of bursting.
  
  If you were capable of commenting in good faith, I'd roll with it. Instead you drop points (Uncommitted) when you are proven wrong, give false equivalences between responses to protests, participate in bothsidesing when one side is saying Haitians eat pets.
  Your only position is to assert economic theories as material fact, and pretend that your assertion proves conditions are equally awful under Donald or Harris. Socialism is equally hard under Donald or Harris.
  Unfortunately for your argument, one half of the (muh both sides) Duopoly will in fact more swiftly reach the point where they are executing socialists. It will be harder to get to socialism while socialists are being executed. Therefore we should take actions that may delay that.
  
  I have offered supporting evidence for my points, and rather than counter any of it, you make the baseless claim that the GOP would start executing Socialists before the DNC, when that's a bipartisan time-honored tradition.
  You have not explained why you think that the GOP would execute Socialists faster, nor why you think disparity would meaningfully slow down or reverse under the Democrats. Far-right violence rose under Biden compared with Trump, because neither party works against climbing disparity.
  Therefore we should take actions that may delay that.
  The answer is to join revolutionary orgs like the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO). Only through organization outside the electoral system does the Proletariat have any hope of steering the ship and seizing the reigns.

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