fiction vs. nonfiction

First world countries have this thing called universal healthcare for their citizens.

Then the murderers would be the voters who consistently choose this system.
- Lol. When exactly did US voters get an option to vote for universal healthcare?
  
  It's a core DNC stance. They tried to pass it the moment they had supermajority with caucusing Ind for 72 days in 2013, but the Ind betrayed us and we lost it by 1 vote in the senate. Instead we got the medicaid expansion and CHIP renewals which support 79 Million Americans currently.
  The fact that the GOP is currently trying to gut it is even more proof that this is a clear partisan issue.
  If people voted for Universal Healthcare then we would have it. But they don't vote for it.
  
  So who did we fail to elect that would have gotten us universal healthcare?
  
  Democrats. The DNC stands for the Democratic National Committee, they're one of the nations two core political parties.
  
  I know what the DNC is. I'm asking who we specifically could have elected that would have gotten us universal healthcare. It wasn't even on the platform agenda for 2024.
  
  Any Democrat is better than any Republican.
  
  Yes, but I'm asking you to back up your argument:
  Then the murderers would be the voters who consistently choose this system.
  Then who should the voters have chosen? We've had many Democrats, but no universal healthcare. It's not even part of their platform. Yes, they're better than the Republicans by a country mile, but you said the voters chose this system, so who could we have voted for?
  
  No, you asked me who to vote for to get the stances you pretend to hold, and I told you.
- Yes, it’s totally the voters fault and has nothing to do with the broken system that is kept in place by powerful corporations bribing (lobbying) those in charge to keep the system broken for their own benefit and profit. You fucking donkey.
  
  The voters chose to keep the broken system, so yes.
  
  Obvious bad faith argument; I'm not going to waste my time engaging with you any further.
- When did you vote on this? I never had such an opportunity
  
  You have the opportunity every single election cycle. The sides haven't changed in decades.
  
  Which side my vote is on also hasn’t changed in decades. Arguably a big reason I live where I do is finding other people who also vote for our future, everyone’s well being. However voting between fascists and centrists isn’t good for anyone
- That would be called 𝘦𝘯𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 the murderers. The healthcare industries could in theory decide to save many more people without going bankrupt. They are still murderers even if half of the us voted to hand them a knife

Incorrect, a healthcare system does not require for-profit insurance companies to serve the health needs of it's members.

I assume you made your comment out of ignorance and not as an attempt to spread misinformation. Check out the single payer model as an example of a full healthcare system that does not utilize for-profit insurance.

Alright but you also don't have to use the for-profit coverage if you don't want to. Maybe instead of organizing impotent murders we should be organizing nonprofit and cooperative healthcare coverage businesses.
- Okay go ahead? Maybe instead of throwing out opinions you haven't done any research on you should gain a basic understanding of how the USA healthcare system works and how people are stuck with what they've got 👍 maybe you'll see why people are cool with murdering these murderers

Yeah, I'm so glad that we have health insurance companies to take our money first, then deny our claims so that we can die poor.

They approve more than they deny by far. The worst example would is probably UHC and even they only denied between 18-32% depending on who you ask.
And, very few people apparently know this, but you can and should appeal those coverage denials.
By the numbers, health insurance allows more people to get coverage than without, and therefor are a net positive.
I'm an advocate for singlepayer, I don't think health insurance companies should exist, but if we don't convince citizens to vote differently then we're not going to accomplish any good at all by killing some expendable erectile dysfunctional suits.
- they only denied between 18-32%
  Only
  health insurance allows more people to get coverage than without
  Yet there are more than two choices. It’s not useful to claim the current system is a net positive because the only worse option is no coverage
  you can and should appeal those coverage denials
  Every medical provider I’ve dealt with has people to handle this. They have to spend money hire extra people to redo paperwork, resubmit claims, until it comes through. Is this a good use of anyone’s time or money?
  
  There are only two choices, insured or uninsured. The third choice is locked behind voting blue and demonstrably the USA would rather die.
  
  From over here in one of the bluest states, believe me I know. The rest of y’all struggling to vote against fascism, and we’re trying to hit 70% blue

That’s an astonishingly ignorant statement that assumes health insurance provides any care, or that insurance is the only way for people to afford care. Willfully ignorant, perhaps, because anyone who has paid attention over the last decade would have heard this discussed if they weren’t living under a rock.

Insurances are middlemen extracting money from you on the chance you might get ill or need care, and then decide whether or not your illness is worth the trouble of giving you any of your own money back to cover it.

We did fine without widespread medical insurance 50 years ago. Many countries do fine with single-payer care - in fact most of them besides the US do. And many of those countries have better overall health than Americans do and pay less to enjoy it.

I hope you take your chances
- Enjoy losing your job and health care when you get genuinely ill.
  
  Oh but the thing is I have gotten terribly sick before, and I've seen a doctor and I got all the treatment I needed because I have good coverage. If I had to pay for everything on my own? I'd still have gone in to see a doctor if it meant debt. If they denied me treatment I'd set up my estate to sue them in the case of my death.
  Our system sucks. But it can get a lot worse, very quickly.
  
  Really fixated on the absurd take that the only way to have care is out of pocket at American health care costs? You’re a deliberate fool. Blocked.
  
  Boy these words you're shoving in my mouth sure taste funny.
  
  You’re spending a lot of time trying to defend that it could be worse when everyone is saying it needs to be better. You’re trying to defend the status quo on the ground that no coverage would be worse when everyone else is saying the rest of the civilized world has examples doing much better
  
  I am presenting actual real plans to make it better while others plan to actively cause harm to each other.

How many would die if our health care system wasn’t designed to deny claims, didn’t insert paperwork, process and overhead, didn’t incorporate huge profiteering opportunities? How many would die if everyone were covered? How many would die if coverage were a medical decision instead of medical decisions forced by affordability? How many would die if there were no need for medical debt and bankruptcy?

Idk why dont we design our healthcare that way? I've been voting to do that every election my adult life and the rest of you are masturbating to murder as if it somehow promotes the idea.

lol. lmao even

Dude seriously eat shit, then file a claim for the results of your meal.