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They also sell that number, all your chat logs, voice calls and media to AI training companies.
Dont be a loser, dont use discord.
Source? The only record of data being sold I remember is some 3rd-party that scraped public servers.
Per their privacy policy they collect
Content you create. This includes any content that you upload to the service. For example, you may write messages or posts (including drafts), send voice messages, create custom emojis, or post other content that you create with features that we develop. You may also upload and share files through the services.
Thats what they collect(so not the calls apparently my bad). In regards to how they use it, they mention advertisement stuff and the usual vague language of "improve our services" and "personalization". The AI stuff is supposedly opt in, but they collect the data and they are subject to US subpoenas so all bets are off anyways.
Of course they collect content you upload. How else do you think they maintain a chat history so people can see what was said while they were offline?
I see nothing in the privacy policy that says they can sell the data. There is, however, things that allow them to share the data with 3rd parties, including bot developers. Having developed Discord bots, I can tell you that you can get pretty unrestricted access (with the server owners cooperation) until you have been added to a bunch of servers (at which point you need Discord approval to get things like message content)
Policy doesn't count for anything. So what if they claim they won't sell data about you? They still can, and companies do.
Or they sell the entire company, like 23AndMe just did.
Not saying this makes up for it but discord recently introduced e2ee calls. This means if you have to communicate with your discord friends securely you have to call them.
How else do you think they maintain a chat history
e2ee is not so hard that the biggest player in the game couldnt pull it off my guy. they just want that sweet sweet data.
Signal, Wire, and Jami all support group chats that are E2EE. Discord's reasons for not doing it might not be sinister, but they don't need that level of access to your content in order to provide their core service.
I'm not saying it's a perfect service, I'd rather all private messages be E2E encrypted, but there's no evidence Discord themselves have ever sold any data, so I don't understand why we are making crazy claims when them collecting data is a privacy issue enough on it's own.
Calls recently got encryption, so while Discord is as popular as it is, we can only hope they keep expanding encryption into other areas.
there’s no evidence Discord themselves have ever sold any data
Even if that were true, thats not how things work in the real world. If you cant mathematically prove that you dont have access to the data, then you arent trustworthy.
Calls recently got encryption
Says who? Discord themselves? Did the publish the code?
Can you provide a source then if it isn't true? I am genuinely curious.
And yes, they did publish the code for their e2ee protocol.
The whole internet is the same, unless you are running all your own built software that you can vet, you are just putting faith in what a company/individual is telling you. If you want to use the internet, there's always the inherent risk your data is being collected and sold without you knowing.
As much as I would love it I don't think we are gonna see more encryption in the discord ecosystem. I am convinced that discord was not recording calls prior to introducing e2ee since they were peer to peer so they are not giving up any data in adding it
It would be absurd to record calls, the expense of it isnt worth it.
I doubt it too, but it's okay, I mostly use it for calls anyway. The messages are just organising times.
The data collected sounds like a nothing-burger. Of course they collect the data you upload, and of course they store data (like messages) that need to continue to be networked to clients.
How they use the data does sound like corporate trash though.
Sadly there are a lot of communities that are only on Discord.
And it's so annoying! Bring back forums!
Can’t Lemmy be like Forums?
Kinda. But this "comment" system is more set up to encourage replying to others rather than the original subject.
That would be an easy fix though.
I feel like we can't use services anymore at all. We need protocols and clients to connect to each other using those protocols and stop using centralized anything at all.
99% of what I've done in discord is a private server with like 5 or 6 regulars just to use voice coms in game.
But we already had that with TeamSpeak, Ventrilo, and Mumble. The UIs were fucking ugly as dog shit, but they worked.
Discord just came along and and combined a global (to a set of members) chat room and a voice service, where before those were separate.
Now if something is "just" a website then no one under like 25 will be able to hear of it, much less figure out how to use it. They need apps to be able to communicate.
The problem is that bigger services obviously have a problem of scale with that setup, so they start simple and get a bigger audience, then start the spying with some tiny change no one will check patch notes for.
These days we're all guilty of that.
Capitalism is again the bad guy here. Monetizing everyone's actions and identities is the particular issue. No one would feel a need to do this if it didn't lead to more profits. I'll bet there are a bunch of companies that started off good and fell to the dark side when they couldn't control their monetary appetite. (Or when younger employees took on promoted positions and saw opportunity- all they had to do was (cough cough) stop not being evil (cough cough)).
I would love to if all of the most helpful specialized communities didn’t all use it.
I can’t even get my friends or family to use Matrix/Element, let alone the masses.
Trust me, I want to make the full switch, but if I’m hanging out on my fancy open source server with no one on it, what’s the point?
I will agree that anything akin to Facebook or Xitter isn’t helping achieve anything, since they don’t provide communication that can’t be found elsewhere (social updates, memes, event invitations, etc), but for communities like this specifically, there’s just not many other places to go.
having a hard time finding a good alternative for screen sharing in a voice call. recently deleted discord and me and my buddy moved to matrix (element) but the screen sharing is very laggy and it needs a more aggressive mic noise removal. we speedrun a singleplayer game together and use screen sharing for that. steam can do all this but the delay is unacceptable.
honestly I'm this close to going back to discord 🤏
Im following matrix dev work very closely so im wondering if you have been trying the old call system (jitsi or 1:1 calls) or the new one (element call). the new one should work well for screensharing video but ofcourse you do have some level of compression artifacts. the element-desktop client should have it enabled by default since a few version ago. You can quickly test it out here without an account too https://call.element.io/
For noise removal it just uses the standard webrtc noise filtering stack afaik which does suck, but i have it disabled and do that kind of audio filtering systemwide on my linux machine with easyeffects.
I'm not seeing an option for element call, there's just p2p for 1:1 calls option which I have enabled. easyeffects mutes my audio completely and I have to timeshift to get it back 😅
Maybe you have to enable something for the video calls in the "Labs" section of the settings but i dont think so. Its just an embedded version of the instance hosted by element.io so it should be functionally the same if you try that one in the browser.
This is how i have it set up
EasyEffects works well for me on debian but on a different distro with different audio setup it might not be such a smooth experience. 🤷
didn't realize it was under video call. we tried it, and it works perfectly! now I won't have to go back to asscord 👍 thanks!
Nice :) glad i could help
I don't actually know how good it is but another software that does screen sharing you might try is Jitsi
Matrix sucks
I don't really know what else to use