The US Department of Justice has now authorized retaliation to criticism of law enforcement
The US Department of Justice has now authorized retaliation to criticism of law enforcement
Protecting Law Enforcement Personnel. One of the Department of Justice's top priorities is protecting law enforcement at the federal, state, and local levels who protect us all. This includes aggressively investigating the all-too-common instances of violence against and obstruction of law enforcement, seeking the death penalty for those who perpetrate capital crimes against law enforcement, and backing and promoting the efforts of law enforcement when they are subjected to unfair criticism or attack.
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Both sides, amiright fellow citizens of the nation just north of the gulf of America?
While conservatives are obviously worse than liberals in just about every way, I don't think rejecting the "both sides" argument in such a general way is a legitimate argument either.
It takes two to tango, and the Democratic party obviously deserves some of the criticism for the current state we find ourselves in. Mainly in their passivity in response to the rise of fascism in the conservative party.
The whole point of 'both sides' is both sides doing the same kinds of things.
One party failing to stop a coup because they try (and fail) to work within the legal system and making poor choices is the opposite of the side that is blatantly breaking the system. It isn't even close to 'both sides'. What a terrible take.
The whole point of 'both sides' is both sides doing the same kinds of things.
Yes, and in some areas this is a legitimate argument. Both parties are slaves to donors and the capital class, and have rarely disagreed with things like how we handle things at a geopolitical scale.
One party failing to stop a coup because they try (and fail) to work within the legal system and making poor choices is the opposite of the side that is blatantly breaking the system.
Right, but that's also ignoring the decades of thirdway politics that allowed the conservative party to position themselves to do a coup in the first place.
I'm not saying that both sides is a legitimate argument for every topic, but it also shouldn't be off-handedly rejected in every scenario either.
It should be dismissed because it is a false equivalence tactic used to fool people like you into blaming both parties for the actions of one party.
Lol, I've repeatedly said it's not equivalent, and not a legitimate argument when utilized in generality. I've just noticed people like yourself are increasingly utilizing it to rebuff all criticism for the Democratic party.
Wanting to discuss nuance in an argument isn't a blatant acceptance of an argument. You're just trying to force a false dichotomy.
I am literally saying that 'both sides' is ALWAYS a false equivalence.
ALWAYS.
Both sides can have overlap in things they do, but that doesn't make blaming 'both sides' valid.
Being ineffective at stopping something isn't the same thing as enabling.
am literally saying that 'both sides' is ALWAYS a false equivalence.
Then you are either misinformed or blatantly lying?
There are plenty of examples of both parties overwhelmingly agreeing on certain topics. An obvious one is the vote to go to war in Afghanistan, or the Patriot act......
Being ineffective at stopping something isn't the same thing as enabling.
You're claiming that conservatives and Democrats haven't ever agreed upon anything that might be reasonably criticized.......
Again, you're just thinking in absolutes.
Me:
Both sides can have overlap in things they do, but that doesn’t make blaming ‘both sides’ valid.
You:
You’re claiming that conservatives and Democrats haven’t ever agreed upon anything that might be reasonably criticized…
I'm going to go talk to a brick wall as that is more likely to be productive.
Both sides can have overlap in things they do, but that doesn’t make blaming ‘both sides’ valid.
Lol, if two people agree to do something stupid to an equal degree I can't blame both people? Are you trying to be obtuse, or are you really this stupid?
Being ineffective at stopping something isn’t the same thing as enabling.
Lol.
You've got your fingernails dug into a hair-thin crack here.
You might do well to stand back a bit and ask yourself why you're so desperate to absolve the Democrats of blame.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Good luck. You're going to need it.
Don't bother, this dude is completely unable to understand anything that resembles a nuanced opinion.
Apparently the Democratic party is completely blameless for anything that's ever happened, even when they vote in complete consensus with Republicans.
Cognitive dissonance is a removed.
You have to try to make the straw man sound at least plausible... Nobody here made that argument, fuck off.
am literally saying that 'both sides' is ALWAYS a false equivalence
Saying both sides deserve the same blame for enacting the patriots act isn't a false equivalency. There are plenty of specific instances where both parties have voted in consensus for acts that can be justifiably criticized.
I don't think you know what a straw man argument really is.....
As always, I just wonder if it's a pose or a delusion.
In much the same way that the Zionists have characterized any criticism of Israel as antisemitism, Democrats have characterized any criticism of themselves as "both sides." And it's for the same reason in both cases – so they can reject criticism out of hand rather than facing up to it.
For the professionals, it's simple, if loathsome - they get to feed at the money trough as long as they can continue to essentially pose as leftists but not really accomplish anything (since anything truly leftist would be at odds with the desires of the people and corporations who are keeping the money trough full).
For the rest though - the rank and file that just repeat the cant they're fed - what do they gain?
I've never been quite clear on that, but I assume it's that their self-images are wrapped up in the labels they wear, and one of those labels is "Democrat," and it only works as a boon to their self-images if it can't be criticized.
I can't see how that can be worth it though.
For the rest though - the rank and file that just repeat the cant they're fed - what do they gain?
I don't think they realize what they're doing. A lot of people haven't ever engaged with rhetoric with any kind of objectivity, so anyone challenging their positions in any given subject is automatically rejecting their entire belief system.
Plus, I think it's good to remember that a lot of people on Lemmy are young, impressionable, and not really engaged with society outside of shitposting online.