it's good to look in the mirror and understand the material outcomes of voter behavior
I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?
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Democrats then: "We'll win without appealing to Arabs in Michigan or anyone who demands we stop funding Israel. Shut them out of the DNC and scold them at every turn. Who cares how they react or that they're forming PACs like 'Arabs for Trump.' We don't need their votes."
Democrats now: "We lost because you STUPID Palestine-lovers wouldn't vote for us. Your country needed your votes, Gaza needed your votes. It's actually your fault that we didn't bother appealing to you."
"We don't need you! We never needed you! Every one of you is a paid Russian actor! We will win with Chaney and Romney!"
"GOD PLEASE WE NEEDED YOU! WHY DIDN'T YOU TRUST US?! WE CHASED AFTER THE REPUBLICANS TO MAKE YOU LOVE US!"
The more I think about it, the more this sort of gaslighting reminds me of Eve Online shenanigans. Which is fair, after all, users like Jibrish moderate r/eve like they do r/conservative.
Part of me wishes I could have a computer good enough to run Eve, but I don't think I could handle the game and community lore in one whole thing.
I've spent 2200 hours in a game with next to zero good updates in 9 years, my brain can handle focusing on stupid bullshit.
But man Eve seems... Weird. In a good and bad way.
I was excited about eve for maybe a month or two, it's not worth it. They present this grand game where everything is possible, only to realize it's only possible if you spend 200$ a month and give up your personal life for it. Just way too many systems designed around a game that exists for monthly subscriptions and micro transactions (nice ship, would be a shame if you couldn't fly it because you didn't pay us this month, oh but you can still log in and fly our less efficient ship.....). Definitely impressive, but the financial pull really takes the heart out of the game.
Man you guys have gotten so good at taking down these non-existent people making these non-existent arguments.
It literally happened to me on Reddit, mastodon, and on my previous Lemmy account.
And now even though I voted for Harris while criticizing her, I'm blamed because I used my 1st amendment rights.
To the DNC and right wing Dems, its always someone else's fault why their candidate failed to appeal to the voters they are trying to represent. No accountability for their failure.
Never taking responsibility and always blaming others for your failures is basically baked into conservative DNA
White-men for Kamala :'D
So basically, still in denial about how Trump and Netanyahu are going to absolutely wipe out Gaza from history now while gaslighting'ing as hard as r/conservative. The overlap with the way Trump voters handle politics is astounding.
What does any of that have to do with what I said? I'm talking about the strategic decision the Democrats made to not make concessions to the people inflamed by the genocide in Gaza. In no way did I deny that Trump is far worse than Kamala/Biden. Pointing out that Kamala/Biden made a conscious decision to not move left on this issue isn't gaslighting, not that you're even using the term correctly
Americans had one vote, and you guys continue to gaslight what it effectively was, for Trump or against Trump. What it wasn't was an opportunity to change the system by making a political statement, and now all anyone who has fallen for this rhetoric has done is cemented where it's heading to now. To change it you would have had to work outside the system. Now, even attempting to do so is far more likely to get you locked up. Congrats.
you guys continue to gaslight what it effectively was
You keep using that word but I'm not sure you know what means.
What it wasn't was an opportunity to change the system by making a political statement
I'm not even advocating for people to vote third party or boycott the election. I'm just making the argument that if a political party wants a group of people's votes, they should court those people. If they fail to do so, and those people choose not to vote for them, the political party only has itself to blame
if a political party wants a group of people’s votes, they should court those people. If they fail to do so, and those people choose not to vote for them, the political party only has itself to blame
You seem to understand this, yet apparently cannot accept that you are not the only group that the party wants (read: needs) to court.
As shitty as it is, the Israel lobby has a stranglehold on politics in the US. Both major parties are beholden to them, and need to bend over backwards to try to keep these groups happy, otherwise their campaign is dead in the water. That is facts.
The reality is, in this case, those two groups are mutually exclusive. You cannot appease both (you will just end up alienating them all). One of those groups is much larger and far more influential than the other, and has the power and will to destroy your chances of winning.
They courted the second group because its literally the only possible way they can win.
Despite what lemmy might have you believe, leftist thought is not the default in most of the US.
Become big enough and influential enough that you need to be courted, otherwise they have no reason to give a shit what you think.
The Israel lobby has a stranglehold on politics in the US. Both major parties are beholden to them, and need to bend over backwards to try to keep these groups happy, otherwise their campaign is dead in the water
The assertion that the Israel lobby would destroy Biden for simply calling a ceasefire after unequivocally supporting Israel's post-October 7 actions, is utterly unfounded. The kind of strong condemnation of the Zionist project that would make AIPAC walk is something Biden/Harris would never do.
On the pro-Palestine side, my view is that all the Harris campaign had to show was progress, either a ceasefire or a policy break with Biden, to get most of the protesters back on side. But I'm not 100% on whether she had the political skill to walk that tightrope.
I do think you make my point for me, though. The party did the calculus, and came out on the side that they see AIPAC support as more valuable than the pro-Palestine vote. With that in mind, the party should own that decision and not vilify the voters they scorned for not supporting them anyway. People would be a lot less angry if they just accept that they got the strategy wrong in Michigan and commit to doing things differently next time. But they won't, because this is a party that never learns its lessons.
Don't worry, the US looks like US voters won't have to worry about being able to have any effective choice for much longer.
You are over reacting.
No amount of exposure to news will convince people like you of your narrative. But how does your mental lapse even work? First, you gaslight about Democrats, then you claim to be aware of what the GQP is going to do, and now after demonizing or recognizing as bad any of the two choices you have you now try to argue that you have a choice? Consistency is not your forté.
Didnt say any of that. You can be right and still over react, you know that right?
Gaza had been getting wiped out by Biden supplied bombs for over a year. Trump wouldn't be able to talking about "rebuilding" gaza now if Biden hadn't already helped demolish it.
You’ve promoted trump as being the rebuilder of Gaza enough that all doubt regarding your motives here have been removed.
You’ve purposefully left out the fact that he has recently agreed to send Israel $1BN and a fleet of bulldozers, (something even his allies are condemning as an attempt to “ethnic cleanse.” Palestine) as part of an ultimatum where he told the Palestinians to either leave their homes forever, or become one with the craters their homes will become if they don’t.
The Olympic-level athletics it takes to side-step this fact and twist current events around to still make what is currently happening as being Biden’s fault while trying to posture trump as the one to fix things- can only be performed by someone…. let’s say, ”loyal”, enough to still believe his bullshit
I put "rebuilding" in quotations because I know he doesn't have good intentions. You don't have to be a trump fan to hate genocide regardless of the perpetrator
Trump and Netanyahu are going to absolutely wipe out Gaza
The fact that it's already been entirely demolished from the Biden admin kindve nullifies this talking point though.
Once again, the West Bank doesn't exist.
Arabs on their way to watch palestine be disintegrated by trump: Yes i am the morally superior individual here why do ask?