Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump
"Voters—and all Americans—deserve better than two corporate-controlled parties," asserted the leader of Our Revolution.
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If there ever was a time to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months AFTER an election.
If there ever was a time to not to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months BEFORE an election.
If there was ever a time for the DNC to listen to voters, it was at any point in time.
Do not hold back on them, hold them accountable and demand better. “We will apply pressure but back off when it’s actually meaningful” is a terrible strategy.
They cannot hope to gain the support of voters unless they make it clear they are interested in their voters.
Whether they actually are good for us and are actually fighting for us or not, constant smear campaign fueled by wealthy bad actors and foreign powers is going to have impacts on the vote.
Sometimes we need to fight back against bias by evening out that scale, declaring the value in voting blue no matter who.
Even if we think Democrats might shit the bed, we need to make it clear we have to prevent Republicans from pumping gallons of shit into the bedroom.
This group of progressives, "Our Revolution" was a continuation of the Bernie Sanders election campaign, and Bernie Sanders spent today yelling at the top of his lungs as the US confirmed a health secretary who actively promoted the unnecessary death of infants and argued with him on pharmaceutical company profits.
Voter Outreach and party platform is OUR JOB. Not just the DNC.
Who's the one running the primaries, collecting donations and buying ad space?
Who are the ones voting in primaries, donating, and volunteering?
Bernie Sanders was in the 2016 and 2020 primaries and lost by an absolutely huge margin both times. The organization isn't the problem. How the people are voting is. Even if you "fix" the DNC it won't fix the problem.
They didn't even bother to run primaries for this last election even though they had to know that Biden wasn't going to run. They gambled on wasting the RNC's efforts running an anti-Biden campaign when they were going to swap Harris in and lost.
They also turned out the lights on anti-war Sanders supporters, so forgive me if I don't think the DNC plays fair. The US is going to collapse and I can't say we don't deserve it.
That's basically how incumbent presidents have worked for 248 years. That's not news. Biden obtained 14,465,519 out of 16,610,102 votes in the 2024 primary election, 87.09% and obtained 3,894 delegates while the runner up received 35.
He had every right to pass his chance on to his VP and I thank him for it, it was a valiant effort and took a lot of courage I'm sure.
So much courage to wait until the last minute. We should have primaries for every incumbent.
So you’re saying we should lie about the loser democrats?
Can you really say that you're against christofascist oligopoly when thats the words you have to say about the only opposition?
I can say I am against the DNC and that they are going to lose their leadership whether they like it or not. There’s a new generation of Dems and the Dems will die and there’ll be a new party or they will accept the policies that supermajorities of Dems and republicans support and kick their loser ass leadership who only knows how to get donors money and lose elections
There is not always a new party. In the past, new parties came from branching old parties.
One party systems exist and that is the path the USA is currently on: Repupublican Authoritarianism.
If you would back dems long enough to get supermajority they could pass voting reforms which make your ideal possible.
You seem to think corporate dems actually care that they lost. They would rather enjoy their donor money and lose elections than legislate policy supermajorities of Americans both republican and dems support.
Blue no matter who is a failed strategy and it’s why we have what we have today. Stop ass kissing dem leadership. We owe them nothing. They owe us policy proposals and to fight for our cause, not the other way around.
Political donations are heavily regulated and are used only for political campaigns. You're not even allowed to promote your business in a campaign advertisement.
Do you live in the states?
You can literally pay yourself and your family members with campaign money.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/06/campaigns-paying-family-members/
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/14/politics/fec-candidates-pay-rule
I suppose not, I guess if the only two choices are for or against “christofascist oligopoly” I’ll just stand back and make fun of you for making that choice
By standing back you make a choice.
You’re suggesting that by making a choice you could stand back further which is untrue
By making the correct choice you could have saved lives who depended on Medicaid, SNAP, the VA, and Meals on Wheels which all currently have all funding frozen by Trump.
There is blood on the hands of the abstainer equal or greater than the blood on the hands of Republicans.
That’s ridiculous, you’re just taking the bait of the DNC leadership and trying to blame voters when the blame rests fully on them for their shitty candidates
And by don't criticize them before the election, he means the 2077 election. Give them time to figure things out, guys.
there has to be a real fear of losing something, otherwise there's no pressure to change. they will never change voluntarily. and after they win/lose an election there is zero pressure to do anything
the best time to criticize is in the immediate lead up to an election
That's fair, I normally try to shut down the shitting on all the time, but that's a very fair point to be making and I accept your views as veritable and righteous.
You think if we criticize democrats for 3.5 years straight it wont affect the outcome of an election as long as we stop for a few months?
Acknowledge mistakes and learning from them is the biggest advantage when running against the Republicans who think Trump can never make mistakes
No it just sows apathy and reduces voter turnout. But that seems to be the goal.
It only sows apathy because they keep shutting down progressive voices for... *checks notes... a 74 year old with cancer.
Maybe just maybe if AOC had been given a committee seat instead of being muscled out by Pelosi such criticisms wouldn't "sow apathy."
That's just one of many examples. What you're saying is we should stop critiquing them since they don't change, and their unwillingness to change and pointing that out sows voter apathy.
We're literally in a thread about how they refuse to learn anything and we still have you here being like "critiquing them only makes it worse!" Yeah, when they always ignore the critique to suck from the same wealthy teats as the Republicans, it's hard for that not to create apathy.
Like I said, if they actually learned something and centered progressive voices, maybe critiquing them wouldn't create apathy but would create excitement?
But noooooo, we just need to shut up about it I guess.
What you're saying is we should stop critiquing them since they don't change, and their unwillingness to change and pointing that out sows voter apathy.
Nope, I’m saying Trump won this election because enough voters were apathetic and stayed home and the constant criticism from the left contributed to that.
The constant ‘not good enough’ criticisms are the reason we are worse off now with Trump.
We're literally in a thread about how they refuse to learn anything and we still have you here being like "critiquing them only makes it worse!" Yeah, when they always ignore the critique to suck from the same wealthy teats as the Republicans, it's hard for that not to create apathy.
We are in a thread about an opinion piece. Sorry to interrupt your echo chamber but I need to remind you that the critiquing is coming from progressives: a group that consistently loses elections even after winning primaries.
If progressives would actually learn something they would show up to vote in their own best interests instead of falling for the “Genocide Joe”, “DNC isn’t good enough so we get Trump”.
The fact of the matter is not enough voters are progressive and progressives aren’t willing to work with any other ideologies so they consistently lose elections.
My original comment said 3 months before an election is not the time to criticize - so I agree with you on that.
However, there has to be a time when we fix our mistakes and right now is the BEST time to do that.
However, there has to be a time when we fix our mistakes and right now is the BEST time to do that.
I agree with you there. The mistake we made was being critical to a point that got Trump elected.
Do we have voting holidays for the primaries? Oh we don't? So it's quite likely a lot of those progressive voters are busy at work?
Hell, one year it was fucking caucuses in my state, where you had to show up and hang out for hours deliberating.
But sure, it's not that the corporate wing of the party are in positions to be able to take off work and progressives are workaday laborers who literally struggle to get involved because of the roadblocks of American life.
When many US citizens can't take a day off work without worrying about not being able to make rent, it's kind of buffoonish to be like "They just need to try harder." Maybe the party needs to make it way way fuckin easier to be involved and join the 21st fucking century instead of being like "these rules we've been using for 100 years are rock solid, no changes needed, fuck change." The only people saying that are the corporate wing of the party because that benefits them to have progressives stuck on the hamster wheel.
Do we have voting holidays for the primaries? Oh we don't? So it's quite likely a lot of those progressive voters are busy at work?
Hell, one year it was fucking caucuses in my state, where you had to show up and hang out for hours deliberating.
You think democrats have enough seats to make a national holiday for the primaries?
I'm actually not really certain that it makes any difference whether we criticize them or not, with or without a break.
They just keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting different outcomes.
