The gender wars continue 🥹
This is not my personal opinion, I know Gen Z men who voted for Harris. But the voter demographics really speak for themselves, and maybe now people will look at the radicalization of young men as a serious (but solvable) issue.
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Don't turn this around on me. You said something that is some bigoted TERF shit about trans people:
Women who are now trans men weren’t always trans men, were they? Maybe they thought of themselves as women for a long time before changing their mind.
Would you say this about gay men and women too? I doubt it.
You've made it very clear you don't think trans men are men, so I'm not sure why you're avoiding it now.
A minute ago you were defending men’s rights. Now you want to have a philosophical discussion about the nature of gender? I’m happy to have that conversation, and I doubt we ultimately disagree, but why? What possible bearing does it have on our disagreement over whether “nobody cares about men’s issues?” When in fact as far as I can tell our entire society is organized to help young men succeed.
You can keep lying about what I was saying, but the fact that you can’t say the simple words, “trans men are men,” has laid your bigotry out for all to see.
And lying about what I was saying will not get me to deviate from said bigotry. Not when there are trans people I care about.
Trans men are men.
Trans women are women.
No amount of lying or queerphobia on your part changes those things.
No offense but you’ve lost track of this conversation, and I don’t like playing word games. I feel like you’re pivoting to trans rights (???) despite the fact that we almost certainly agree.
despite the fact that we almost certainly agree.
No, we don't. I think trans men are men and I think trans women are women.
You clearly do not since you won't say they are after being given multiple opportunities.
I do not agree with TERFs.
“Being given multiple opportunities.”
Damn, you’re actually nuts. Please get help for all our sakes.
And another opportunity given was not taken advantage of.
I think you've proven your bigotry quite well, which is why you're not resorting to these sorts of silly insults.
Trans men are men and trans women are women. Sorry you don't like those facts. They're still facts.
I wouldn’t say that about sexual orientation because unlike gender, sexual orientation can’t be changed, as far as I know.
Philosophically there are two schools of thought. Either gender is arbitrary (1), or gender is not arbitrary (2). If the former, then people’s gender is entirely determined by their preferences, and it can change. If the latter, then there are factors outside of one’s preferences that determine their gender, which cannot change based on personal reflection.
Most people believe that gender can change (position 1). Ergo, my phrasing. Trans men are men. (And gender can change based on your preferences). I’ll freely admit I phrased my reply in a way intended to confuse and annoy you.