2mo ago

Sympathy for their PTSD

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So, I hate to be this guy for Israel. But there are legal ways for this to have happened. I know the first picture in all of our heads is them running over prisoners. But it is a valid tactic to collapse your enemies trenches or building on top of them. The US has been doing that since at least Vietnam. Armored bulldozers are, of course, uniquely pretty good at this tactic. Although it is usually a tank with a bulldozer blade attached to the front.
- “Everything squirts out,” he added.
  Zaken says he can no longer eat meat, as it reminds him of the gruesome scenes he witnessed from his bulldozer in Gaza
  Yeah. This ain't that.
  
  That logic doesn't follow. Did you think collapsing a trench means you don't see anything?
  
  Maybe just read the article from the many links in this thread about how they were being used to push bodies instead of talking out your ass.
  A bit rude I realize but you would rather sound like you are from the middle and spout a fact that you know than just read and properly participate in the conversation. It's not helpful and it's infuriating at best.
  
  I did read the article. Nothing in there screams war crimes for this guy specifically. Bodies do need to be cleared, badly damaged buildings have to come down, and it's normal for a person to feel pride in their work.
  Seeing dead bodies is a traumatic event all on its own. Soldiers in every war this century have reported that as a problem.
  I'm not saying he's innocent or that he definitely didn't commit war crimes. I'm saying there is not evidence of it here.
- Rachel Corrie was a civilian.
  How can Isreal use TOTAL WAR while claiming HAMAS using hostages is bad ?
  
  She was also a long time ago. Why not use the unarmed American they shot in the head recently?
- Here is a video of the soldier in the bulldozer with his friend in gaza bragging they destroyed 5000 houses https://files.catbox.moe/sgmc5b.mp4
  The friend already killed himself.
  
  They're gloating about it, absolute monsters.
  
  Yeah that's not a great visual. But the house was clearly already badly damaged and had explosives in it. This is standard for combat clean up. We can certainly talk about why 5,000 houses were damaged bad enough to need demolition though.
- I'm sure this guy operated his bulldozer with all of the due care and concern for innocent human life as the IDF bombing campaign that by their own reports have killed twice as many civilians as militants.
  
  Yup, they get very little benefit of doubt at this point. I'm just pointing out that it's not 100 percent straight to war crime from this description.
- Except we already know that they were doing this.

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