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Fun fact: The vast majority of our "rights" are natural. The question is who protects them?

A marginalized group does not receive human rights, they are stripped of them. The removal of your birthrights should be violently opposed as soon as possible.

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  • So a bear choosing to eat me isn't natural?

    If we say "okay, bears are natural so anything they choose to do is natural" then you have a problem because humans are natural too.

    That's why I made the distinction between humans and nature. Everything humans do is unnatural, including when we choose to do nothing at all.

    • We are confusing the word nature because of "human nature" and nature such as the world outside the head.

    • What do you mean by choosing. Thats sounds like a choice? something that can be debated in the head with words?

      • Yes, anything that can be debated internally with words or even with feelings.

        The only human behavior I think that can be called natural is truly thoughtless or automatic action. Natural breathing is when you breathe without thinking about it, unnatural breathing is when you become conscious of your own breath and start thinking about it. And it really does feel unnatural! I'm sure you're manually breathing now too, and I'm sure you'd agree it's quite different from natural breathing.

        • OK but what is this motivation that changes that?

        • It's you who did this to me but that "control" came from outside my head is not powerful enough for me to oppress others. my motivation to oppress others would come from food/money

          • I don't think motivation matters. You can oppress others thoughtlessly by complete accident.

            • what does that have to do with removing the rights of a certain type of people. What you said sounds like just one person oppressing one person

              • A group of people can, in fact, thoughtlessly oppress a certain type of people through their thoughtless collective action.

                • I would say that in "full communism" that would not really exist. similar to my idea of primitive communism

                  • I agree! But we can hardly call that natural. That's a carefully cultivated world and society that ensures fair and equal distribution to everyone according to their need - something that has never existed. Even under primitive communism the gens/tribe might be motivated to oppress outsiders because nature itself imposes scarcity or disease or disaster on them.

                    In order to ensure all rights for all people, we must also conquer nature. It just doesn't make sense to give credit to nature for our rights, when we have always had to fight against nature to have the right to live.

                    • I'm basically saying "human nature" is really good and its 99% changed due to external reasons. That was this whole conversation :P

                      • I agree! However, human nature can be changed due to natural external reasons as well. That complicates things.

                        Nature must be defeated >:)

    • No? i don't think with words in my head if I should oppress a certain type of people? I just naturally dont do it

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