The US is Politically to the Right of [Other] Democracies

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No shit, the most left-wing politician in the US would be considered a far-right fascist dictator in Europe.
In the US there’s no left, because left would imply socialism that eventually lead to communism and that goes against the ideia of America, the American dream, the constitution etc. The entire country was built and maintained on the ideia of being against any form of communism.
- The entire country was built and maintained on the ideia of being against any form of communism.
  No, it wasn't built that way, the US as a country predates strong communist movements
  
  You can build after you founded.
  
  Well, yeah, no point in getting semantic, I did mean that it wasn't founded on anti-communism because it predates most communist movements, but ofc it developed in anti-communism.
  
  You can thank Woodrow Wilson for the anti-communist stuff.
  https://youtu.be/hLiI6kXZkZI?si=C60tiHTgjLsvhiRR
  
  Sorry, I'm Spanish and too lazy to watch a 30-min video about American presidents from 100 years ago, I have enough American presidents on the internet lately for the following... forever? I'm so tired of the fucking bidenkamalatrump thing, I don't see why as a Spanish person I should even know who Justice Alito is when I can't name the literal president of the UK. I'd rather blame it all on capitalism since it's the same everywhere.
  
  Long story short that particular president used his Yale historian credentials and the presidency to push Southern Revisionism, which he wrote, and his racist ideas to fuck up this country a ton, and the rest of the world by refusing to join WWI, and thereby single handedly causing the European theater of WWII, Stalin's rise to power, Hitler's rise to power, and the eventual anti communist rhetoric that permeates the US to this day.
  As to why you as a Spaniard may want to know this, it helps explain why the most powerful nation in the world keeps having apoplectic seizures, diplomatically speaking.
  Explaining how all of that is literally one guy's fault is why the video is 30 minutes long. Well, that and something like a 4 minute ad in the middle.
- the most left-wing politician in the US would be considered a far-right fascist dictator in Europe
  I live in Europe. Someone like Bernie would be a labor leftie in every European country. Europe isn't the leftist walhala you think it is. Or do you really think fascists like Wilders or Meloni would be considered left wing in the US?
- I doubt Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren would be considered far right.
  
  They aren’t, Bernie is centre right
  
  No…? 4-day work week with no reduction in pay is very much a left/far left concept even in Europe.
  
  yeah and I could point to his right wing non-economic views
  That’s why he ends up a centrist which is far from the guy’s claim of being alt-right
  
  yeah and I could point to his right wing non-economic views
  For example? Legit question, I’ve heard him being pretty supportive of stuff like LGBT rights, Climate activism, Gun laws and legalization of Marijuana, but I’m European so I might not have the full picture.
  
  Pro guns - while he supports some restrictions, he is still pro gun
  pro war - supported bombing Yugoslavia and invading Afghanistan
  pro gender - supports gender identity/roles rather than abolishment
  pro oil - recently voted against replacing oil with nuclear for power generation
  Anti-illegal immigrant - not really a problem itself but in 2006 he voted in favour of indefinite incarceration. Also tried to make it illegal for the US to notify Mexico about private militias that patrol the border to kill anyone sneaking across
  Drug policy - he only supports legalizing cannabis and blames pharmaceutical companies for the opioid crisis but I couldn’t find anything about giving mental healthcare to addicts or treating them like humans not criminals
  
  Well, most of these positions are shared across the political spectrum even in Europe. (Also apparently he regrets his decision about Afghanistan). I’d still say that would place him left/center left in most of the continent, imo.
  Thanks for the list though, I rarely see people bring out legit points against Bernie, it’s good to have a nuanced discussion.
  
  No they aren't lol.
  
  Care to argument or are you just going to say “no u” and dip? In which european country are most of these up for serious political debate?
  Hell, if anything in Italy there’s discussion about nuclear but it’s the left that wants it banned while the right is pushing it.
  
  Yeah sure.
  Well, most of these positions are shared across the political spectrum even in Europe Pro guns - while he supports some restrictions, he is still pro gun
  Nobody in Europe is Pro-guns end of story. Not even a possibility.
  pro war - supported bombing Yugoslavia and invading Afghanistan
  When did you ever saw a politician in Europe going for war? Never.
  pro gender - supports gender identity/roles rather than abolishment
  European left pushed for this... that might be the only thing.
  pro oil - recently voted against replacing oil with nuclear for power generation
  Almost every EU party and politician is pushing for green energy, not oil, not nuclear. Even Germany while being governed by the center-right decided to close nuclear power stations.
  Anti-illegal immigrant - not really a problem itself but in 2006 he voted in favour of indefinite incarceration. Also tried to make it illegal for the US to notify Mexico about private militias that patrol the border to kill anyone sneaking across
  Europe is not anti-illegal immigration at all, and the proof of this was the migration mess in countries like Italy and the plan to redistribute those people across all countries.
  Drug policy - he only supports legalizing cannabis and blames pharmaceutical companies for the opioid crisis but I couldn’t find anything about giving mental healthcare to addicts or treating them like humans not criminals
  The EU does a lot in healthcare for addicts, most countries only consider it a crime if you're carrying a large amount because it would be considered trafficking. Nobody wants to legalize anything except for the far-left extremists in a few countries.
  So no, almost none of those positions are shared across the political spectrum in Europe.

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