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Schiff says Biden has to ‘win overwhelmingly’ or pass the torch, adds VP Harris could win against Trump

The quote:

“Given Joe Biden’s incredible record, given Donald Trump’s terrible record: he should be mopping the floor with Donald Trump. Joe Biden is running against a criminal. It should not be even close. And there is only one reason it is close. And that is the president’s age.”

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  • This is simply not true. Its this close because half the population has been raped by education defunding and copious amounts of right wing propaganda. Allowing people and entities to control large swathes of media networks has been disastrous. Repealing the Fairness Act has been a fucken tragedy. It could be anybody, literally. Throw Harris up there and watch the machine get to work. This isn't a mystery. This isn't about age. Its about the death throws of the Republican Party, and them ending democracy to hold onto power. Ya'll are eating it up and being divided. Just keep drinking that juice, I guarantee this push has republicans somewhere behind it.

    • Could you describe the push you're referring to? We all saw the debate, then the poll drop, then the calls for Biden to step aside. Which of those events have republicans behind them? We all just want the best chance at beating Trump, and many of us think that's not Biden. I don't think the media is to blame for reporting on what each congressperson is saying -- that's kinda their job, and that's whats going to get clicks -- but I do think they are to blame for the opinion articles that are saying "I'm not voting, you shouldn't either." Obviously that is horseshit. If Biden's the nominee, you gotta vote for him. But I struggle to think that the drama surrounding Biden's candidacy is somehow sparked by some hidden republicans pulling the strings. The dude just performed really poorly in a debate that he himself wanted, and then he doubled down with some awful awful soundbites about him being okay with Trump winning, as long as he tried his best.

      Its like dude, have some fuckin awareness. The stakes aren't low enough for you to be self satisfied with doing your best.

      • The focus on Biden's age at the 11th hour is what is strange. We knew the dude was ancient, shit we expected Harris to have to take the torch mid term. But now its too old? Right before the elections? Now is the time? I dont think so bud. None of this new and it could not come at a worse time for Democrats. I've seen a fucken dizzying amount on Biden's age, but none on how Trump sounded like a martian lunatic? Something smells fishy to me boss.

        • I mean, the age thing has been a concern for a while, but Democratic messaging really played it down, and the State of the Union was also a pretty good reliever in that sense. But the debate was a lot lot worse than the State of the Union, and that just completely shattered the illusion that Biden is in command, in terms of not only his own health but in the election, itself.

          You're asking why now? Well, the debate is what sparked this. But now is the time because we are afraid of what a Trump presidency could mean, especially after the Supreme Court decisions last week. Now is the time because the debate just exposed Biden's greatest electability weakness (not, necessarily, his ability to make decisions based an a talented and experienced group of advisors). And now is the time because we think he won't win, and that this whole time the United States have been asking for a younger candidate, so why don't we give them one?

          I don't think you really need a Republican conspiracy behind all that to explain why there is such panic in the democratic party right now. But thanks for answering my question genuinely.

          • There's just no clear alternative. We don't have someone to rally under even if we get rid of Biden. Maybe it is the right thing cause I know I dont want Biden either. Its just a dangerous gamble with all that is at stake either way you slice it. Which is why I'm questioning the move so hard. There's no clear alternate candidate, doing this is very likely to fracture democrats even more. Maybe I do have a tinfoil hat on, but all these fears are very valid. I dont trust Republicans with even a single one of my pubic hairs and I know something like this is not below them.

            • The only actual alternative is Harris. I wouldn’t guess anyone having a panic attack right now will listen to me but:

              • she’s the only one who can legally use the campaign funds
              • setting up a new campaign takes months
              • ads have largely already been reserved
              • passing over a qualified black woman for [insert the imaginary candidate of your dreams] would piss off a pretty key constituency (especially in Georgia and Michigan)
              • the media and Republicans will have a motherfucking feeding frenzy destroying an untested candidate with no experience on the national stage

              Am I happy about this? Nope. But those facts are just being hand-waived away while people ignore every risk to replacing Biden and, on top of that, the risk of replacing him with their favorite.

              • You make reasonable points, but here are a couple light rebuttals which ultimately amount to my idea that the risks of replacing Biden outweigh the risks of keeping him on the ticket.

                I'm skeptical of the candidate even having to set up a full campaign, because they'll have the name recognition already. If it's the result of 5 debates between younger Democrats including Harris, that is going to be blasted on every news channel. Not to mention, a giant campaign isn't exactly helping Biden. The negative press alone from them trying to shield him probably set him back enough that he'll lose.

                Regarding the ads having already been reserved, I won't pretend to know how any of that works, but wouldn't you think that would also hinder Trump? As all his ads would be toward Biden and not the candidate? He would somehow have to pivot his attacks. Harris is easier for Trump to attack, because he's been doing it for years now, along with Fox News. Regardless, I don't find much sway in that argument , just because I'm not sure ads are really going to do much to swing moderate or independent voters.

                I don't think the public is politically aware enough to realize Harris is the "next in line," as you infer, so I really don't think they'd be alienating black or female voters.

                (Side note: I think the whole idea of Harris being the one to be "passed over" is such a bullshit modern political take. Just like how it was Hillary's turn, or Biden's turn. That kinda shit is what got us here now, instead of choosing the best candidate we always seem to choose the one who should be, or who is due next. Really fucking frustrating.)

                Finally, the media is already having a feeding frenzy on Biden, a well-tested candidate with lots of experience. He is down in the polls in swing states, he's getting grilled by his own party, and his numerous attempts of damage control have done little to assuage the concerns from congresspeople, but I'd also guess voters, as well. I'm sorry but I just don't think Biden can beat Trump, and I think he should step aside for either Harris or, in my preference, let the DNC shake it out with some debates.

        • It's not his age, it's his behavior. And he's been doing this shit for a couple years now. Pretending it's just his age is more disingenuous gaslighting.

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