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Absolutely correct. And when you see them here on lemmy, and there are a TON of them suggesting not to vote-
CALL THEM OUT.
I would LOVE to see a movement form to start pushing these bad actors out of here.
- They don't care and double down. I tag them as "Pro US Fascism" and move on.
  
  What do you use to tag them? I miss that functionality of RES.
  
  Boost, but it only works in the app
- Ahh, yes. The classic way to combat authoritarianism: with more authoritarianism. "If you disagree with the party line your voice must be silenced."
  And since I know your kind tend to assume things that aren't said: I'm not saying don't vote. I will vote Dem in November, but I'm very close to my breaking limit on voting for people that constantly disparage me. I am saying that the kind of thinking you've displayed here is just as much of an existential threat to the US as the MAGA cult. Refusing to hold the Democrats accountable for anything ever (because it's "not the right time") is just a slower death.
  
  Ahh, yes. The classic straw man. Accuse the author of something they didn’t say, or imply, but something you can summon a paragraph of nonsense to support flawed thinking.
  Did say silenced? No. I said CALLED OUT. As in- flush them out for the bullshit they’re spreading.
  You claim you’re voting. So clearly this isn’t directed at you anyway. Unless of course you’re just saying you’re voting so that you could follow it with the… “but maybe I won’t if people don’t stop being mean to people that are telling other NOT to vote!”
  
  You said called out AND pushed out. How is pushing them out not silencing them?
  
  If they chose to leave because they don’t like being called out- that’s a bonus.
  
  Oh, gotcha. So bullying people who don't pass your litmus test (whether or not they actually believe or are what you claim) until they leave isn't silencing the voices of people who disagree with you.
  
  Calling out bad actors is not bullying. You’re not a victim.
  
  Labeling people "bad actors" simply for expressing an opinion counter to yours and then trying to run them out is 100% bullying. You are not the arbiter of what people are allowed to think.
  
  I’ve seen from comments in this post that you yourself don’t like having words put in your mouth, yet here you are doing it to me.
  People here to sway an election by trying to convince people not to vote?
  Yeah. They’re bad actors. There’s other words for them, but I’d rather not get banned. -and contrary to your assumptions… It has NOTHING to do with their opinions being counter to mine. I could care less what their opinion were if their opinions were organic and relevant. But NONE of them are here to discuss anything in good faith. The moment you challenge their bullshit, they either ignorantly accuse you of ad hominem- or they shut all over the discussion to derail the topic.
  This isn’t day one of this shit man. It’s been going on plenty long enough to accurately gauge what they’re up to.
  They don’t belong here. So… calling them out for what they are with the hope that their message falls flat is absolutely necessary. If they get bored and leave…
  That’s a bonus.
  
  What words did I put in your mouth? You called them bad actors again even in this reply and in your first one you advocated for pushing them off of Lemmy. The rest of the comment you just replied to were my words ("bullying" and "you are not the arbiter of what people are allowed to think").
  Is it the last one you're complaining about? That's not me putting words into your mouth, that's me calling out what you're advocating for. You are advocating for pushing people off of a social media platform when YOU have decided to label them a "bad actor" without actually knowing their intentions. Your entire premise seems to me to be predicated on the idea that no one could possibly be so disillusioned, disenfranchised, and dissatisfied with the system that they go on social media and state those feelings. Therefore, anyone saying that MUST be a bad actor.
  
  disagree with the party line your voice must be silenced."
  I never said that. Leaving this platform is isn’t silencing anyone. It’s just making bad faith trolls leave a platform. It’s a win for everyone.
  And since I know your kind tend to assume things that aren't said: I'm not saying don't vote.
  What is “my kind” here? Apparently you like to assume things about people you don’t know. I’ve never spoken with you before. So how do you k ow about my “kind?” Seems very… putting not just words in my mouth, but an entire personality as well.
  Oh, gotcha. So bullying people who don't pass your litmus test (whether or not they actually believe or are what you claim) until they leave isn't silencing the voices of people who disagree with you.
  I ask you… who am I bullying? People who are yelling at other so not vote during a very important election? What the litmus test you’re assuming I have here. Since you like to make impatiens about what others say and do…
  Labeling people "bad actors" simply for expressing an opinion counter to yours
  If you look back through this conversation, I never once labeled anyone a bad actor because they expressed an opinion counter to mine or anything.
  I called them bad actors because they’re here to disrupt an election and cause fuck tons of damage to this country.
  That you’re making such an effort to defend them says a lot about you.
  
  I agree.

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