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Why are online casinos bad? I don't understand this pervasive need some people have to force their way of life on others and take away their agency over their own lives. It comes off to me as some kind of superiority complex. "They're too stupid to make their own decisions, I know better what's best for them, I must protect them from themselves".
Sounds more like you just don't know anything about the gambling industry. They run rigged games in predatory ways. They happily let organised crime launder money for a cut. They fight regulations designed to reduce problem gambling.
Nevertheless, nobody here is "forcing their way of life on others and taking away their agency over their own lives". They're just acknowledging that casinos have a long history of being absolute cunts.
They run rigged games in predatory ways.
I don't know what you mean by this. Games have a fixed margin which is usually disclosed or can be computed (exactly like the 0 and 00 in the roulette skews the odds in the house's favor if you want to do just black/red). There are then whole chapters in national regulations about random number generators to ensure the odds are correct and the games are not rigged (i.e., a game certified for 98% should have that outcome). Are games designed to have the house win a 2,5,7,9% margin? Sure, but this is out there in the open, there is nothing to "rig" in the same way having 0 or 00 is not "rigging" a game of roulette.
They happily let organised crime launder money for a cut.
At least in Europe, you get audited quite often and AML regulations are very tight. Laundering money via online gambling companies with their cooperation seems quite unlikely to me (and inefficient, possibly, but I don't know).
They fight regulations designed to reduce problem gambling.
Some do, but not all, and not in all cases. Addicts are bad for business for gambling companies, or at least for some of them, moderate long-term customers are generally better (and require way less effort).
I don't know what you know about gambling, I definitely think that the ethics are questionable, and I left the industry when I could also for those reasons, but the company I worked for was not very bad in this regards. Maybe you worked/had experience with some of the shady ones (like those who operate in illegal markets using a single license from a random tiny country)?
Who's "they"? I don't know much about the gambling industry but if it's anything like any other industry then it's not a centralized monolith but many independent business. As long as the founding principles aren't inherently corrupt (and in the case of casinos they aren't. Nobody is forced to play and everyone knows the house has an advantage and in the long term is guaranteed to win. Because of this it doesn't make sense for the house to cheat and risk getting caught, it will win anyway.) there is no reason to think that the majority of the industry engages in criminal activity. This is a massive generalization.
I don't know much about the gambling industry
You can stop there. You don't know much about the gambling industry, defending them was just an opportunity to tell us your opinions on "some people", none of whom are actually here.
Yes, my comment wasn't about online casinos but about the people who think they have a right to tell others how to live their lives. I'm not defending the gambling industry, I think gambling is stupid. I'm defending the right of the people to make their own decisions.
My "defense of the gambling industry" was just me pointing out that as long as something isn't inherently nonconsensual and the terms and conditions are clear there is no reason to forbid other people from doing it just because you disagree with it.
Nobody in this thread has forbidden anyone from doing anything. If you want a soapbox for your irrelevant opinions, start a blog.
Yes, my comment wasn't about online casinos but about the people who think they have a right to tell others how to live their lives.
Who's "they the people"? I don't know much about the gambling industry the internet but if it's anything like any other industry place then it's not a centralized monolith but many independent business people.
Why are online casinos bad?
How can players be sure they are honest?
I must protect them from themselves.
People should be protected from scammers with fake (always lose) casinos.
There are ways to cryptographically verify bet integrity, but that's not important. The point I was trying to make is that people should have the right to make their own decisions, even if you disagree with them, even if they're objectively wrong.
If you are objecting about one person's morals being forced on another then I totally agree.
Your delivery of that argument needs work because it comes across as wanting to defend scammers.
At no point was he defending scammers. This is insane.
Playing innocent and asking why online casinos are bad.
Yes. He’s asking a question? Why is an online casino bad?
If the casino follows all rules and regulations, then that is not bad.
If talking about sites that steal your money and don’t pay out when you “win”, then yes, that is bad, and a scam. But that’s not an online casino…that’s a scam. And also incredibly rare.
An online casino can make a shit ton of money by just following the rules. Why would they need to break the rules?
But that’s not an online casino…that’s a scam.
Excellent. You understand the point.
Excellent. You have no idea what you’re talking about :)
Gotta upvote the dude
"They're too stupid to make their own decisions, I know better what's best for them, I must protect them from themselves".
I've never been given a reason to not think most people are morons
You haven't met most people. :)
The problem is every one of us is most people on something. ;P
That's 100% true. That's why I'd like the help from experts to help me avoid being scammed, help me avoid drinking and eating poisoned food, or having to breath unhealthy air.
I don't always know the full repercussions from the decisions I make so I really appreciate having some expert help. This is especially true of decisions shitty people try to coerce me into making when I'm desperate or emotionally vulnerable.
I presume you don't consider yourself to be a part of the aforementioned majority? Do you believe it makes you superior? Do you believe you know better what's best for them? Do you believe you must protect them from themselves, even at the cost of their self-determination?
I'm not the person you're replying to, but I am stupid enough to occasionally get close to falling for a scam. Rather than test my luck, I'd rather they didn't exist.
Allowing someone to play a game in which the rules and odds are clear and up front, is not a scam. Full stop.
True, but we're not talking about clear and up front rules
Is meth bad? Would a company that specifically targets meth sales to the most likely drug using demographics be bad? Would a company that sold meth in shiny, futuristic containers that said "Lucky Dreams!" be bad?