7mo ago

Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/15988326

Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10, and all editions will remain in support with monthly security update releases through that date. Existing LTSC releases will continue to receive updates beyond that date based on their specific lifecycles.
Source: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

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You can recommend what you like. As soon as Windows 10 can’t play the latest games I’m off to Linux.
Eat my whole ass, Microsoft.
- Come on over, the water is fine. I switched to Pop_OS a few months back for the gaming rig and Proton+Steam works almost flawlessly. Older titles sometimes have hiccups, but so far ive only been blocked on one title.
  
  Yep it's pretty easy and my computer runs so much faster than Windows on the same machine.
  
  Windows running on a VM under linux runs faster than windows on bare metal ...
  
  Not for me, but that might have been a slight exaggeration.
  
  You joke but it actually boots faster in a VM for me than on bare metal. And that’s with fastboot enabled. Would love to know why!
  
  the best jokes have a kernel of truth.
  The VM is optimised for the OS, the OS is usually a fresh install with just that 1 program you need to use instead of you're entire life scattered across the desktop, it can be a snapshot of the system in an optimal state right after running an unfuck windows script that removes default system malware which doesn't let it reinstall, it has less system resources to deal with for the simple fact it can't use them all at the same time as the base OS.
  
  Probably a BIOS that has a very well known hardware configuration. It doesn't have to worry about weird legacy shit, it's only ever going to be the VM hardware. (Plus whatever you pass through, but I imagine the BIOS doesn't care, or if it does it'll slow it back down).
  
  I just switched from W10 to Pop_OS and have had lots of trouble. I'm trying to stick with it but from audio glitches to many games not running unless I find a random CLI arg that someone mentioned on Reddit, to my UI freezing, it's not been an easy switch.
  
  Any chance you have an nvidia card? Nvidia for a long time has been in a worse spot on Linux than AMD, which interestingly is the inverse of Windows. A lot of AMD users complain of driver issues on Windows and swap to Nvidia as a result, and the exact opposite happens on Linux.
  Nvidia is getting much better on Linux though, and Wayland+explicit sync is coming down the pipeline. With NVK in a couple years it's quite possible that nvidia/amd Linux experience will be very similar.
  
  I wish I still had my AMD card but it decided to brick itself for no apparent reason after it made horrible humming noises whenever it chose to ever since I bought it. I have an Nvidia card now and haven't had a single issue on Windows yet, but maybe my days are counted to the moment I switch to Linux.
  
  Yeah I'm on a 3070, I thought Pop had improvements for Nvidia stuff which is why I chose it.
  
  it's not a drop in replacement and anyone looking for one will be disappointed by literally anything available.
  You're learning an entirely new operating system, don't think of it as an upgrade, this is a time sink. You'll be under the hood more than on the road for the foreseeable future, but what's the alternative?
  
  I get that, and I love Linux, it's just annoying to see people say that they switched with 0 issues and trying to sell it off like people won't have problems.
  
  I don't understand why people can't simply believe that someone could actually have very little issues with performance or settings after switching.
  What About™ people who have issues when installing windows, as if that never happens.
  I put both kinds of operating systems on a myriad of computers and sometimes it's smooth sailing and sometimes it's like stepping on rake after rake.
  
  Its not that I don't believe it, rather they are "selling" Linux as if there won't be any problems, but whoever is making the switch will have to learn about troubleshooting. That's a good thing, but something that they should be aware of.
  
  I don't really have a problem with "selling" Linux. You gotta take all things with a dose of skepticism.
  Has anyone ever recommended a product of any complexity as an OS and then also listed all of the common issues people might encounter? When people talk about a product they like, of course it will highlight the positive things, but anyone who has ever touched a computer, hobbyist or not, knows these things might sometimes shit the bed in unexpected ways. I think that's common sense.
  Windows is said to have less problems, but the cryptic errors and non descriptive "wait while we do something" message without any other output actually makes solving problems harder. It has more users, so luckily that means someone out there probably has the issue documented so solutions are easier to find.
  I use both, at home primarily Linux, at work primarily Windows. I had troubles in both that caused serious headaches, but generally they both work without too much problems.
  This might have been a bit rambling 😅
  
  I don't understand why people can't simply believe that someone could actually have very little issues with performance or settings after switching.
  What About™ people who have issues when installing windows, as if that never happens.
  I put both kinds of operating systems on a myriad of computers and sometimes it's smooth sailing and sometimes it's like stepping on rake after rake.
  
  Try bazzite? It's been cool with my setup. Intel processor with GTX 1660 ti.
  Mint has been cool too! on a laptop with a 1650 on it
  
  I've seen a lot of people recommending Pop_OS lately. Out of curiosity, what's the benefit over something like Mint?
  
  I'll try to offer an answer to both you and @natedog526.
  Pop came heavily recommended for a while because it's relatively light-weight for a modern desktop, had some fresh UI ideas with its COSMIC plugins for Gnome, and ships with some nice bonuses for gamers like built in Steam and Nvidia setup scripts.
  Unfortunately, it's become pretty stale lately. I still use it daily on my main desktop, but lately it's becoming harder and harder to keep from hopping to something new. A few pain points include Pop shipping older version of some important software like the Kernel, Wine, and Mesa, persistsant audio bugs like the other user mentioned, and basically no support for Wayland at the moment.
  A lot of these are because System76 has been heavily focused working on its COSMIC desktop, which should function a full standalone desktop environment instead of Gnome with duct tape. It's looking forward to seeing it which has so far kept me from switching, but with no release date and other distros offering what Pop offers, it's harder and harder to stay put.
  
  Curious about this too. I was gonna spend some time trying some different distros. Both mint and PopOs are on my list.
  
  If iRacing and my other sim racing gear worked with Linux I'd make the switch asap. I already have popOS on another hard drive and everything other than iRacing has worked well
  
  Looks like iRacing is working on proton experimental as of 3 days ago At least according to a user on protondb
  
  Yup, similar boat but with planes instead of cars. Most inputs Linux can support on a single usb device is 86 or so, my throttle alone has well over 150 buttons on it. Add in all the stuff for my sim cockpit (probably around 1000 buttons), my haptic feedback chair, and then VR… as much as I’d like to use Linux, I don’t think it’d be possible for the foreseeable future for me to switch.
  
  I did the same a few months back. No problems so far. Some older games require switching up the compatibility layer occasionally but no deal breakers so far.
  
  I switched to Pop!_OS about 3 months ago and have been loving it! First Linux distribution that just worked for me, and every app works better than any other Linux or Windows 11 on the same hardware.
  
  Running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed right now and it's great!
- We need a successful replacement to DirectX for this to happen.
  Look how desperate they are now for their web browser, imagine when people start abandoning Windows because there are other options that work just as well. I can't wait.
  
  We need a successful replacement to DirectX for this to happen.
  Vulkan?
  
  Definitely, I'm not saying that there aren't any viable candidates out there now, but the title base for games that support Vulkan seems to be not even 1/10th of what DirectX 11 can support. It needs more acceptance I guess is what I mean.
  
  Honestly even the as-is directX with Wine is already quite good. With Vulkan, game over :-)
  
  Wine doesn't do DirectX. A wine environment set up for gaming uses DXVK or VKD3D to translate everything to Vulkan.
  
  Wine does do DirectX as well (and did well before DVXK and VKD3D-Proton were a thing). But it translates to OGL instead of Vulkan so it was always relatively slow and has issues with compatibility. There's also some other built in work to translate to Vulkan (including the original VKD3D), but they are behind the third party projects too.
  
  Yes, that was WineD3D, which still has to be used in some cases.
  But that's still not DirectX, what I was saying is that you don't actually run DirectX in Wine. You have to translate it to Vulkan or OpenGL.
  Not that this stuff isn't part of Wine.
  
  We already do?
  DXVK and VKD3D have been translating DirectX 9-12 to Vulkan for a while now, allowing DirectX games and applications to run on hardware and/or operating systems that don't support DirectX.
  Intels ARC GPUs don't even support DirectX on a hardware level, like it's just straight up not there. Intels drivers instead just translate it to Vulkan, and their at times insane FPS boosts from driver updates was due to them improving that translation and getting closer to 1:1 performance.
  
  At times, yes. But at most times, no. Certain games can capitalize on ARC and I was just as enthusiastic as everyone else when it first started making the rounds. But theres a reason the cards haven't caught on and most people seem to rely on them more for offloading things like streaming and AV1 encoding/decoding
  
  They're new.
  I didn't claim they're worth recommending yet. AFAIK they're pretty great now, and with more issues worked out on the hardware side, Battlemage has great potential.
- I haven't touched my Windows PC since the steam deck came out. If you only care about games you don't need Windows.
- That was my choice too. I made the jump to Mint earlier this year and couldn’t be happier. It took a little effort to get updated GPU drivers, and my games sometimes need an extra CLI argument added, but those things have been pretty quickly and easily found on the Mint forums, Ubuntu forums, or ProtonDB comments.
- Linux can play most games nowadays. You can check if your games are compatible and to what extend they are not here https://www.protondb.com/
- Switched to arch linux last november, didn’t had to launch my backup VM Win10 at all. I even managed to play at StarCitizen with better performance than under Win 10...
  Just wow the progress of Linux, Wine & co since my last linux try (Ubuntu, around 2010).
  I just need now to find a linux way for my music stack and all the VST (my steinberg usb card is recognized and play properly oO) and Windows will be history at home...
  
  Yeah ive also had s Star Citizen running in Arch. My setup didnt support game updates though so every update needed a complete redownload of the entire game which got old real fast.
  Also had Microsoft Flight Simulator running very well too which is peak irony. At first there was issues with satellite terrain and imagary as the networking was broken but a Proton update actually fixed that.
  Im incredibly impressed on the type of heavy duty window games ive got working in linux, some working very well others with slight occasional issues.
  Linux gaming isnt perfect but windows has never been either. Ive had plenty of experience over the years with some games just not running properly or at all in windows even though they should.
  Ive found many older games generally run better in Linux now in respect to modern windows, despite the compatibility layers.
- It's funny seeing this every couple of years. People get up in arms about something with Windows, some switch to Linux because they outgrew Windows and the time was right. By now I think you guys could be primary source of Linux users.
  
  Yeah, I’m guilty of this tbh. It’s just the massive unknown of leaving something you’ve been so close to for literally the majority of my life.
  It’s scary!
  
  It's little grievances that eventually pile up and one day you'll just have had enough and switch.
  
  Yeah, for me it is the ads. No one likes ads, but I hate ads more than most people. So when Windows started putting more and more 'recommendations' into various places... I've been building up a list of registry tweaks to turn it all off - but as more ads got added, just couldn't tolerate it any more. I installed Mint with dual boot (defaulting to Mint). I thought I'd be booting into Window every so often for one reason or another, but as it happens - the only reason I ever loaded Windows was to check that the dual booting was working.
- Why not start today, man? It's good to practice.
  
  Uncertainty, really.
  What distro works with my setup: 3700x and rtx 4090?
  
  Folks will say arch.
  But honestly any modern Linux system with 3rd party drivers will work. Mint pop_os arch Manjaro Debian Ubuntu etc
  I'm running a 1660 and an i5 64xx on kubuntu 24.04 Granted that stuff is older but you'll have the same experience.
  Unless you're running the absolute bleeding edge... You'll not have a lot of problems.
  *Ymmv of course but majority of folks won't have issues.
  
  The the Arch software repos are incredible and the Arch Wiki is, quite frankly, a work of art that should be celebrated with the same reverence as the Mona Lisa or David's uncircumcised cock.
  But anyone recommending Arch to a Linux newbie needs a psych evaluation.
  I've lost count of the number of times I've read stories to the effect of, "yeah, a regular package update bricked my desktop, but I just rolled my face across the keyboard and recompiled the offending software and got back to work, no big deal."
  Cool. I'm so glad you can do that my guy, I really am. But how the hell do you expect average computer user to figure that out? The first time a software update leaves them at a command prompt with some cryptic GDM error message or a Nvidia kernel panic or something, they're going running back to Billy Gates' warm walled garden embrace. Shit, I like to think I'm half competent with Linux and I'd shit myself if that happened to me.
  EDIT: Sorry, @7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com, I didn't nessicarily mean to direct any of that to you specifically, it's sort of just my standard copy pasta whenever I see Arch reccomded.
  
  Haha I agree arch is the meme recommendation. It has its benefits like you've detailed out.. but it's not for a windows convert. I've ran it, it can require more fiddling than some of the other distros. Tinkering that newbies can't do.
  Me I'm an apt man. So I tend to suggest distros that center around that package manager.. it just so happens that they are some of the newbie ones.
  I once installed mint on my ex father in laws machine and it ran perfectly for ages for him (with auto updates) They were spending $$$s a quarter on windowa system cleanup due to viruses. As he was an online slot machine / junk flash game player. So of course he would get all the viruses. Once he went mint, he had 0 issues (with the os) the issues he had was more user error with online behavior.
  Anyway. No problem for the gruffness of your reply, as I agree with what you've said. :)
- Give pop-os a try if you're running an nvidia. It was very much plug and play with my laptop and it works great.
- You made my day!
- If you had any real intention of making the shift, you'd have done so already. Protip: You know I'm right!
  
  Genuine question, what’s the point of this comment?
  
  The 'as soon as Windows 10 can’t x I'm off to Linux!' refrain is so routine in our circles it's practically a meme. All someone says when they pontificate like this is that their true priority is can kicking rather than action.
  
  I feel like someone who likes Win10 and is used to it would want to use it for as long as they can, before having to change to Linux.

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