8mo ago

Why do people still eat beef when we know it's terrible for Earth?

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Same reason we use electricity despite not being 100% green energy and thus being even worse for the earth?
If you actually wanna guilt this question then the fuck are you doing using your coal and gas powered electricity to do it?
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, because the capitalists have seen to it that you will never be permitted to make an ethical choice that would dare compete with what they expect you to choose.
Being a moralizing prick doesn't send any message, what gets people to change is making that change easy, that's why instead of being terminally online fuckwads, british vegangelists spread the good news by hosting free kitchens, volunteering to take people grocery shopping on their own pound, teaching vegan cooking classes, and all other sorts of actually addressing literally any of the actual concerns people have about going vegan instead of being a condescending snob about it.
- So honestly, in your opinion, one of the only ways a vegan can change people's minds is to take them shopping and PAY for their food for them. Amazing, this is a new level of shitty push the blame away behaviour. Pathetic.
  
  You’re saying that trying to motivate people positively to move on from meat is “push the blame away” behavior. But I think tut-tutting individuals who eat meat is pushing the blame away.
  While there are some people who believe that eating meat is an absolute moral wrong no matter where or when it takes place in human history, a lot of people who feel eating meat is immoral feel this way because of what the meat industry does, both to the animals and to the planet. Five thousand years ago, people weren’t supporting the meat industry and all its wrongs by eating meat.
  So considering it to be pathetic to try to effect real reduction in people’s meat consumption because the methods shift blame away from the individual meat eater seems really ironic to me, as well as completely counterproductive, if your goal is less meat consumption in the world.
  
  There is no positive motivation to move people away from meat. Health maybe? Shame and forcing self-reflection is one of the few effective tools.
  Your last paragraph is just rubbish. That's not what I was calling pathetic.
  
  There is no positive motivation to move people away from meet. Health maybe?
  Did...did you just admit that you people don't actually believe your own propaganda about why going vegan is better?
  Also, pretty objectively shame doesn't actually do anything, lecturing at people about why they're wrong doesn't convince them of anything, at best they just write you off as that ass who's lecturing at them, more often they take it as a fight signal and shut down to you completely.
  
  Key word there is motivation. I know its 10 letters long so I can explain it if I have to.
  
  Yeah like how you're pretty clearly motivated to suck at actually spreading the message because then you get to keep your feelings of moral superiority all to yourself.
  
  Look, you're here to fight not be informed. It's really obvious and I don't care what you think or say.
  
  Man, you are an amazing pro-meat troll.

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