8mo ago

Why do people still eat beef when we know it's terrible for Earth?

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Why do people eat food they know isn't good for their health? Why do people continue to buy products from companies that have proven to only sell bad products or engage in scumbag practices?
They all have the same answer.
- It turns out in 1961 the American heart Association took bribery money from procter and gamble, who owned and sold "healthier Crisco" cooking oils that weren't high in saturated fat, like beef and other cooking oils were.
  The AHA then claimed and pushed that saturated fats caused heart disease.
  Problem is, something like 88% of every study done in the past 60 years has found little to no link between heart disease and saturated fats.
  So beef, according to most studies, isn't bad for you. The AHA was just crooked and on the take, being paid off to sell Crisco.
  Now it is calorie dense and people tend to eat too much of it, but that seems to be a lot of things. Don't eat too much or you get fat. But apparently, you don't have to worry about saturated fats being bad for you.
  
  WHO report
  someone else online summarized the genetics part as the following:
  Mandelian randomisation studies show that LDL-c is causative in atherogenic plaques 1 and metabolic ward RCTs show that SFA intakes increase LDL-c, while the decrease in SFAs lead to lower total and LDL-c 2.
  But yes, almost all nutrition science is a bit inconclusive because of genetic variation.
  
  Forgive me, because I'm struggling to understand the linked information, but as someone with atherosclerosis this is an issue close to my heart (ha!).
  I just want to make sure I understand you.
  Your link to the european heart journal says that the causal link between LDL and ASCVD is "unequivocal".
  I think the WHO study says (amongst a lot of other complicated stuff) that replacing SFAs with PUFAs and MUFAs is more favourable than replacing SFAs with complex carbohydrates? The strong implication being (although I couldn't see this exactly) that higher SFA intake contributes to heart disease.
  
  I don't think it tries to compare carbohydrates to any UFAs, but the implication is indeed that SFAs significantly contribute to heart disease.
  
  effects on the serum lipoprotein profile of reducing SFA intake by replacing a mixture of SFA with cis-PUFA [...] or cis-MUFA [...] were more favourable than replacing SFA with a mixture of carbohydrates.
  
  Ah, thanks, I've missed that.
- Why do people drive when they know it's bad for the planet
  
  Because I live in America and there's pretty much no public transportation.
  Trust me, if I had a train, I'd fucking use that sucker. Travel into town for my weekly errands AND I don't have to deal with people not using cruise control on a highway? SIGN ME THE FUCK. UP.
  
  why do people live in America
  
  Because they don't have the money and the requisite professions to leave.
  
  Why do people buy from Amazon/Walmart when they know it's making their country poorer?
  
  Why do poor people vote for millionares when they know they don't care about the poor?
  
  Some of us work multiple part time jobs to barely make it.
  I'd probably stay in the basement if I didn't need to pay my landed lord their monthly tribute.
  
  buy some cheap sliver of land and park a bus on it. save up and find a better sliver of land and plan from there.
- Is it capitalism?
  
  Do you think people in non-capitalist societies only eat the healthiest of foods?

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