8mo ago

Son, we need to have a serious talk!

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If I mer another man in the woods I would say hi and walk by. Bears are fucking dangerous. I really dont understand why all of you are so afraid of other people.
- Black bears are less dangerous than nearly every other larger mammal. They are terrified of everything and not violent. Grizzly attacks are caused by you being perceived as a threat, if given the perceived option, most grizzly bears will run away. Fatal attacks are far more rare than people think 3 in all of north america in the last year. Humans are far far more dangerous to encounter.
  
  As someone who hikes the Canadian Rockies on the regular, I can tell you statistically I've walked by thousands of people on the trails and maybe 3 grizzlies. The grizzlies were far more likely to attack but due to distance and spotting them early to avoid there was no issue.
  
  The grizzlies were far more likely to attack but due to distance and spotting them early to avoid there was no issue.
  They are not more likely to attack, you just perceive them that way. As long as you don't do something that makes them feel threatened you are statistically in far more danger around the humans you cross paths with. I don't remember where I read it, but even with the tiny amount of bear attack, even those attacks are most often the result of human fear causing humans to be aggressive and then lose the fight they started. For instance a hunter with a gun may get scared, shoot the grizzly, and then hit it without a fatal shot. They just created a danger that wasn't there. "Fear is the mind killer".
- Met a bunch of bears, never been attacked. Shrug
  Been mugged 4 times by people, tho. A few others attempted.
  I'll take my chances with the bear.
  
  Damn, you've only met four people in your life, and all of them mugged you?
  
  Can you show me where I've said that? Also 0 out of 10 is still less than 4 out of 8 billion. And I haven't met most people.
- Way too many men are fucking dangerous. At least the bear won't rape you.
- Because the women who answered bear on the survey have extreme contempt for men. They see men as evil predators and not people.
  
  20% of women in the US have been sexually assaulted, almost entirely by men. 80% have been sexually harassed, almost entirely by men. Based on the number of bear attacks that occur annually in the US, approximately .000001% of women have had a negative encounter or any kind with a bear.
  
  How about if we conduct an experiment: replace all men with bears so the amount of time spent in close proximity to bears is equal, and see how the numbers shake out then, eh?
  
  Sure.
  I live in close proximity to bears, and see them regularly. Quite often a sow with young cubs or yearlings. I'm not overly concerned.
  
  This is the exact same logic that racists use to excuse their prejudice against others. They assume black people are criminals because "FBI crime statistics". You are using tragedy to excuse your hatred for half of the human population.
  Assuming every man is a rapist is prejudice and is both morally and practically wrong. Men are half the population of the world.
  Also, this is not a reason to answer bear on the survey unless you're just trying to stick it to men (because of your prejudice). If you prefer to be in the company of an extremely powerful animal that is likely to maul you to death than a member of half the population, you are absolutely out of your mind and are obscenely sexist.
  
  You're being willfully blind.
  They assume black people are criminals because “FBI crime statistics”.
  ::sigh:: Most people that aren't racist are able to understand that black people are more likely to be targeted by law enforcement, and are thus more likely to be arrested, even when they commit crimes at similar or lower rates than non-black people. People that pay attention have also noted that black people are more likely to get jail time, and more amounts of jail time, than while people that commit substantially identical crimes with similar aggravating circumstances. (The effect is reduced at the federal level due to sentencing guidelines, but is still present.)
  Assuming every man is a rapist is prejudice and is both morally and practically wrong.
  It's not every man, no. And no one is even claiming that, except incels and incel-adjacent men. On the other hand, almost all rapists are men. Almost all people that commit sexual assault are men. (Of the men that are sexually assaulted, most are, yes, assaulted by other men.) Keeping in mind that >80% of all women have been the target of unwanted sexual attention from a man, how would you expect them to identify and avoid threats?
  If you prefer to be in the company of an extremely powerful animal that is likely to maul you to death
  My dude, I live in bear country. I see black bears on the reg. They're easier to run off than raccoons (but not nearly as easy to run off as the deer that ate my spouse's hostas). The average number of people killed by bears each year in the US is 1.6. That's it. Not even two people, on average, per year, in a country of 340,000,000 people. So, no, they are not likely to maul you to death.
  
  It's not every man, no.
  The survey said "man or bear". Not "rapist or bear". So yes, this is absolutely targeting men as a whole. Don't piss in my mouth and call it lemonade.
  . Almost all people that commit sexual assault are men. (Of the men that are sexually assaulted, most are, yes, assaulted by other men.)
  All that has been reported, yes. It is a common occurrence for men to not report being sexually assaulted, and there have been cases where they were literally turned away. I'm by no means an extrovert, and I know at least 3 men who were sexually assaulted by WOMEN as children and it never resulted in any form of justice. One of them was laughed at when they told a trusted adult.
  Keeping in mind that >80% of all women have been the target of unwanted sexual attention from a man, how would you expect them to identify and avoid threats?
  Assuming unwanted sexual attention includes any form of unwanted sexual advances, unwanted sexual attention is NOT equivalent to rape and you are doing rape victims a massive disservice by trying to lump them into the same issue.
  My dude, I live in bear country
  That's awful convenient
  The average number of people killed by bears each year in the US is 1.6. That's it. Not even two people, on average, per year, in a country of 340,000,000 people. So, no, they are not likely to maul you to death.
  None of this changes the fact that they would trust a wild animal as powerful as a bear to over a fellow human being they know nothing about. It's sexism. Naked sexism. You can try to justify and twist it, but it's sexism all the same. I apply my principles evenly. Do you?
  
  I know at least 3 men who were sexually assaulted by WOMEN
  My dude, almost every woman I know has been assaulted.
  Assuming unwanted sexual attention includes any form of unwanted sexual advances
  No, I mean things like sexual harassment.
  That’s awful convenient
  No, it was intentional. I didn't want to live in cities anymore. I live in Appalachia now. Moved here from Chicago; i'd def. rather deal with bears than CPD.

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