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Biden’s renewed embrace of Israel threatens to deepen Democratic divide

www.theguardian.com Biden’s renewed embrace of Israel threatens to deepen Democratic divide

Iran’s attack may give the president a reason to return to his default position of ‘ironclad’ Israeli support – could that hurt him in November?

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68812884

I know outlier blogs like the BBC are generally disfavored, but at least hear them out.

The risk of escalation in the Middle East is very real.
- You linked to an op-ed piece, not a journalist piece. Not your fault though. BBC needs to be a lot better at differentiating.
  
  I can’t link to classified intelligence to provide ironclad evidence. This isn’t the war thunder forums.
  
  The risk of a wider war developing in the Middle East is a very real risk. The fact that you won’t acknowledge that shows you argue in bad faith.
  
  Of course its a real risk, I just think trying to spin it so that Biden is at fault before it happens is nakedly partisan.
  
  If Biden attacks Iran, he is at fault for starting a war. He’s the commander in chief. If he doesn’t attack Iran, he’s not at fault, because he did not start a war.
  
  I don’t understand how that’s complicated.
  
  Biden told Netanyahu he would not be involved in a direct war with Iran, so unless Iran attacks the US directly, Biden should be fine.
  
  Biden told Netanyahu he would not be involved in a direct war with Iran, so unless Iran attacks the US directly, Biden should be fine.
  
  Well, except for the votes he's already losing by supporting Netanyahu's existing genocide.
  
  Why are you changing the subject instead of responding to what I said?
  
  We're talking about Biden losing votes if he starts a war with Iran. He will not lose the votes that he would have lost if he started a war with Iran, but he is not "fine." He is still losing votes by supporting Netanyahu's existing genocide.
  
  If you don't like hearing that genocide is unpopular, you need to hear it.
  
  You boys want to see 2 million dead Palestinians and a war with Iran?
  
  By all means, help Trump get back into office.
  
  Biden should stop supporting genocide if he wants to win. He is losing votes because he supports it.
  
  You would rather support genocide and lose than abandon genocide under any circumstances.
  
  You are being intentionally and obviously obtuse.

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