An astronaut is landing on the moon. For the first time, it won't be an American
An astronaut is landing on the moon. For the first time, it won't be an American
Japan will join the U.S. on future moon missions as the two countries seek to strengthen science, education ties.

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grue @lemmy.world Headline: "the astronaut landing on the moon won't be an American"
Article: "some non-Americans will be accompanying Americans on an American mission to the moon"
Those claims are not the same.
129 7 Replyjeffw @lemmy.world OP
The first non-American will step foot on the moon. How is that not what the headline says?
15 48 Replygrue @lemmy.world The headline implies that only non-Americans will be landing on the moon.
56 9 ReplyABCDE @lemmy.world It doesn't.
5 50 ReplyFlying Squid @lemmy.world
Then it's odd that so many people, myself included, interpreted it that way.
24 1 ReplyABCDE @lemmy.world It doesn't mean it's true.
3 22 ReplyFlying Squid @lemmy.world
I'm pretty sure what something implies is dependent upon the reader's interpretation. And it looks like many readers think it implies that a non-American is about to land on the moon even if you didn't think so.
13 1 ReplyABCDE @lemmy.world The writers intention. You can read there being an implication, but it doesn't mean it is implied.
2 16 ReplyFlying Squid @lemmy.world
Please tell me how you are able to figure out what the writer's intention is from a headline.
Because I would think that would require reading the article and no one is complaining about the contents of the article.
10 1 ReplyABCDE @lemmy.world Tell me how you can, perhaps? I can figure it out because... I can? And the article backs that up.
1 10 ReplyFlying Squid @lemmy.world
"I can tell the author's intent because I can" is circular reasoning and is not rational or logical. What that tells me is that you know that the author's intent cannot easily be discerned from a headline other than taking it at face value, but you've been backed into a corner and refuse to admit it.
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【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】 @lemmy.world
Yeah, you're correct. It's not vague at all. One astronaut is not American and that's what he headline says.
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DreamlandLividity @lemmy.world It says "an astronaut is landing on the moon" implying there is only one on this mission.
16 4 ReplyFlying Squid @lemmy.world
Furthermore, is implies it's imminent. Which is also not true.
14 1 ReplyABCDE @lemmy.world It doesn't. Present Continuous is used for future plans.
1 7 ReplyFlying Squid @lemmy.world
If I say "my brother is traveling to France," that doesn't mean "at some point in the future, my brother will travel to France."
At least I've never heard anyone use "is" followed by an action that way.
9 0 Replypurplexed @lemmy.world It's very clunky in its usage. Which isn't good English, but neither is the title, so I'm over it.
2 0 ReplyABCDE @lemmy.world Perhaps you're not a native speaker, but it absolutely is used that way in real life. My brother is travelling to France in August, for example.
1 0 ReplyFlying Squid @lemmy.world
So you mean if you add a qualifier, that changes the meaning?
Are you saying that as he goes to France in August, you would never say "my brother is traveling to France?"
And you still haven't answered me about The Wizard of Oz and Fargo.
2 0 ReplyABCDE @lemmy.world Because I do not care for weird analogies.
You added an example, I made it make clearer sense for you, someone who had never heard of Present Continuous for plans in their lives, apparently.
I'm waking up early tomorrow, so I'm done.
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ABCDE @lemmy.world It doesn't, it refers to one but can be of many. A person is attending a football match for the first time today. It doesn't mean no one else is.
5 10 ReplyDreamlandLividity @lemmy.world No. The sentence you posted implies a football match was never before attended by any person.
If you want to say one of many, you should say Some person/someone.
Or you can qualify the person. E.g. A non-american astronaut will be landing on the moon for the first time.
5 1 ReplyABCDE @lemmy.world Nope, because you know football matches have been attended by people. Ignoring basic facts doesn't make your understand correct, it's silly.
2 7 ReplyDreamlandLividity @lemmy.world Yes, so we are talking about a sentence in the headline where we don't have extra context, yet you make an sentence where it is clear the sentence is stupid based on outside context and argue it should be interpreted the other way around because otherwise we know it is stupid. Amazing logic.
Just because I can deduce what you actually meant does not mean the sentence is correct.
2 0 ReplyABCDE @lemmy.world You have kept your eyes and ears shut your whole life?
1 1 ReplyDreamlandLividity @lemmy.world I for one don't know how many astronauts are being sent to the moon when. And if most people do, no point writing this article, is there?
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Moghul @lemmy.world Yes it does.
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fluxion @lemmy.world Imagine Kennedy gave an amazing speech about "landing an American on the moon" and then sent him up aboard a Russian rocket. I'm guessing most people wouldn't have been like "Well, technically that's accurate. Well done Mr. President."
44 6 Replyjeffw @lemmy.world OP
This isn’t about the rocket, it’s about the national origin and the space agency that sent the person
13 30 ReplyKazuyaDarklight @lemmy.world
Ok, but the space agency in charge is...still NASA. These aren't American astronauts doing a ride-along on a Japanese mission, it's literally the opposite.
27 3 ReplyABCDE @lemmy.world It only mentions the person, not the agency.
6 10 ReplyKazuyaDarklight @lemmy.world
The article mentions the agency and OP brought agencies into the conversation in the message I replied to. I wouldn't have hit on it otherwise.
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