9mo ago

Israel’s Brutality Is Increasing—and So Is Its Denialism

www.thenation.com Israel’s Brutality Is Increasing—and So Is Its Denialism

The atrocities at Al-Shifa Hospital are clear, but Israeli politicians say not a single civilian was killed. It’s just one of several outlandish claims Israel has made recently.

A human rights monitor documented the sniping of at least 13 children in and around Shifa Hospital, all between the ages of 4 and 16.

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I'd like to know who's downvoting this, besides the state trolls
- There's a small but angry and vocal contingent of Israel supporters around here. The other day one got mad at me because I said the IDF's report of killing 200 terrorists in the hospital in Gaza was bullshit and it was bullshit specifically because it came from the IDF and you can't trust a word they say.
  
  I was in a gas station around UNC Chapel Hill of all places standing in line behind a couple younger guys who were saying insane things about how Palestine’s not a real state, they’re just migrant squatters and seemed to mock anyone hurt or killed that opposed Israel. They reminded me of ‘Murican’s talking about how strong and right America is, but from the Jewish perspective with Israel in its stead.
  It’s hard to describe how sickening it was to hear. And they’re like, 20.
  
  I take issue with something you said-
  They reminded me of ‘Murican’s talking about how strong and right America is, but from the Jewish perspective with Israel in its stead.
  I am Jewish. I do not have that perspective. A large number of Jews do not have that perspective and do not support Israel or its genocide. Many of us also advocate for Palestinian independence and an end to apartheid.
  https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
  
  Please don’t take it as all Jews just as American morons don’t represent all Americans. My apology, I thought that was obvious.
  
  No worries, I just wanted to clarify just in case.
  
  Hi, thanks for your voice.
  I hope that you never get punished/harmed emotionally or physically for people who can't differentiate you from others.
  I am actually interested in talking to nice Jewish people.
  If you have a way to communicate in anonymous form (like via simplex chat, please send me your contact).
  Or make a Lemmy instance for jewishforpeace!
  
  Funny is that illegal Jewish immigrants into Palestina on 1930s had to be stopped by Brits, and jewish reacted by bombing British embassy and sinking British ships (read about Irgun and Stern group terrorist attacks).
  
  Nothing about this is funny or a subject for mockery. At least you can take comfort in knowing that twenty years olds basically don't know shit about anything let alone foreign policy let alone hypermodern points of international law. Only Facebook and Sarah Palins and Donald Trumps give these know nothings the validation to share their dumbass thoughts out loud. It's by design and it's so dangerous. Any one of them can buy a blue check mark and a following.
- Just screw them. As long as people can read it’s that’s what matters.
  Though I’m always a bit conflicted about upvote/ liking. I usually upvote something that, I like. But I don’t like this, I truly hate reading this kind of stuff. It’s horrifying and I wish it would stop.
  
  I upvote for visibility. The more awareness, the more pressure from public opinion.
  
  Same. Upvote if I think it's important for others to see.
  
  And won't do a damn thing. Just how Facebook likes are not stopping Russia's invasion upvoting/downvoting will have exactly zero effect on this conflict as well. On one side Israel will ensure this time that this never happens again, on the other only acceptable outcome for Palestine is death of every Israeli, which is not happening.
  World will criticize. Israel will win and there will be calm for some years before Hamas goes for the blood again and people call Israel genocidal nation once again. It's a frighteningly short cycle and people keep forgetting it every time.
  
  The The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 in Zionist thought and the displacement of Palestinians since the 1920s culminated into a full-fledged ethnic cleansing campaign in 1948. Plan Dalet with Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948) Partition and later the Two-State Solution have been wielded by Israel to covet and annex as much Palestinian land as possible with the least amount of Palestinians.
  Before 1948, Palestinian Leadership repeatedly advocated for a Unitary Binational State for decades: Palestinian Arab Congress advocating for Unified State 1928, Arab Higher Committee advocating for Unified State 1937, Arab League advocating for Unified State 1948
  After the founding of Israel, the Two-State Solutions were utilized to further annex the Palestinian Occupied Territories and enact military control over Palestinians while denying them human and civil rights. Despite this, both Fatah and later Hamas have accepted a Two-State Solution on the 1967 borders, with the two most important factors being the Right of Return of Palestinian refugees and an end to the permanent occupation. This is apartheid.
  Oslo Accords MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ
  History of peace process
  Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
  What Is Hamas? - Council on Foreign Relations
  What Does Hamas Actually Want? - NY Mag
  Hamas Election - Snopes
  Hamas 1988 Charter and Revised 2017 Charter
  The 1988 Charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. The 2017 Revised charter accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised charter
  
  Goddamn you don't ever shush up, do you? Just loud and wrong.

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