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Facebook turns over mother and daughter’s chat history to police resulting in abortion charges

www.theverge.com Facebook turns over mother and daughter’s chat history to police resulting in abortion charges

Unencrypted chat history is a prime target for police

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605

A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.

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Aside from any moral or political views, it amuses me when people do criminal acts and fail to realize police can inspect personal data like text messages, email, and social media. I think people smart enough to realize that are smart enough to avoid committing a crime in the first place. Though there are smart criminals that get away with it, you just don't hear about them because they don't get caught. In any case I tend to think being stupid is prerequisite to being a criminal.
- The only crime here is the crime against humanity of taking away a person's agency over their own body
  
  They had the agency to take care of this for 20 damn weeks into the pregnancy where they were at 100% legally, even disregarding the options we all have to prevent conception in the first place.
  On top of that, fetuses are viable outside the womb at 24 weeks, assuming the pregnant woman doesn't kill it at week 28 using medicine as this one did. I can't help but feel that makes 24 weeks a pretty important deadline for when this sort of choice is more than just about the pregnant woman.
  
  Yeah it’s horrible for innocent people to be deprived of life against their own will
  
  yeah horrible to be forced into a shit life they didn't ask for
  
  Wow what a brave person arguing for the rights of those who can't speak for themselves! How do you know what the fetus wants?
  
  I can’t think of a single organism that doesn’t have a survival instinct
- Good job victim blaming dude. This mother and daughter did absolutely nothing wrong here.
  
  What? They had 20 weeks to do this properly with medical supervision but waited to do shit until week 28 of pregnancy, then most importantly broke rule #1: Don't talk to the fucking police. They admitted to the police that they planned it using FB messenger. Whether the police got the DMs isn't as relevant as the fact that when they were questioned they admitted it.
  
  You're still victim blaming.
  
  The victim in question openly stated they wanted an abortion at 28 weeks so they could wear jeans again.
  Please stop using the phrase "victim blaming" to abrogate the necessity for critical thought.
  This isn't some "she shouldn't have dressed like a slut" situation.
  At some point people need to be held accountable to some absolute minimum level of personal responsibility.
  
  Let's be honest here.
  How long do you think that child would last being parented by someone who wanted their child aborted so they could wear their jeans again.
  Abortions should be easily available to any and all women, in every state.
  I don't agree with their decision making length, but if abortion wasnt such a fucking touchy subject, the woman probably would have done so as soon as she found out.
  Her body, her choice.
  Men and politics need to get the fuck out of the way.
  
  Why are we pretending like adoption does not exist? You're skipping options here.
  Abortion being a touchy subject (agreed that it shouldn't be) leading to her waiting longer is pure speculation.
  
  She literally had 20 weeks to do it legally with no problems.
  
  And she didn't. And mostly men around america make it a massive political issue. I'm not condoning the length of time it took her to decide.
  But I'm also not conding your response saying she had x amount of time, avoiding my inquiry about the ability to not be a good parent. What's worse? A small amount of time for a fetus, or a lifetime when the kid boils to death in the car cause mommy wanted to go shopping?
  Quit wishing misery on birthed children all in the name of a life. It doesn't work that way.
  If it was her body her choice, and she had education about it, or possibly free access to birth control, this might not have been a story. Sadly, it seems America is walking backwards with women's reproductive rights.
  I'm not going to get worked up about a woman aborting her fetus for whatever reason. Make all other options more attainable and then it's a conversation to have, but not really. If I found out my wife would have a higher than average statistical chance of dying while giving birth, she could make her choice. My preference would be, let's just try for another and hope it doesn't put her life at more risk.
  This isn't the case here, but how about we throw pitchforks at the penis that impregnated this young woman? It does take 2.
  
  Umm an abortion at 28 weeks is illegal almost everywhere in the world dude, except in extreme circumstances like safety of the mother. Many EU countries limit abortion to first 12 weeks or so.
  
  Doesn't make it any better.
  
  There are hundreds of possible reasons for why this 17 year old did not manage to go through the abortion in time. But you really really want her to be an evil murderer who did this... For what? You really think she did this because she is just an awful human being and therefore now as punishment deserves to have to go through pregnancy and childbirth?
  It is her body not yours. When you get pregnant and feel the moral obligation to go through the whole process of birthing it than you can still make this decision. But it's not yours to make or judge about because it's the actual already living body of another person.
  
  Men can have an opinion on the matter. We are talking about potential children here so if course everyone will have an opinion. Saying Men shouldn't have an opinion on this matter only proved that you shouldn't have an opinion.
  Having a vagina is not a prerequisite to have an opinion on abortion.
  In any case, the best argument I can think of about abortion is that the fetus seem to have a consciousness at around 24 weeks. Consciousness is what we care to protect. In my opinion, at 24 weeks, a fetus is a person worth of protection.
  
  I'll admit you make some fair points.
  This pair are completely incompetent and should absolutely never become parents/grandparents.
  However the fact that police investigated, asked for chat logs from a social media provider, and are intimidating the two of them and we're all talking about it is the entire point.
  Fear. They want us to be at reach others throats on this issue.
  You sound like a reasonable person. I think we can both agree that what the police are doing right now is wrong. Even at 20 weeks, which is very late in the pregnancy game, as you say, the decision for what to do with her body should have been between her and her doctor only.
  We should not have courts getting involved in this crap again like it's pre the 70s all over. Those were not good times for women.
  The two of them could absolutely have been smarter about what they did. But what they did shouldn't be receiving national attention because it should have stayed between the two of them and their doctor.
- It amuses me people use anything Facebook created.

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