"Outdoor Cat vs Indoor Cat" by Sarah Andersen

Not to mention all the outdoor cats that are themselves killed or horribly injured.

I know a guy who went through 5 cats in a few months because he was getting them, letting them out, and they were getting hit by cars since he lives on a super busy road that has heavy semi traffic.
It really reminds me of that one joke "I keep having to buy a new car because my neighbors dog keeps eating it" " it sounds like you're just feeding cats to the neighbors dog"
Dude just didn't seem to grasp simple addition that his new cat + outside in a bad area = squish
- Sounds like Pet Sematary.
- What, he was like "huh Snuffy hasn't been around for a few days. Welp, time to get a new cat I suppose!" every two weeks?
The only cat I've had that I've felt okay with letting roam was a stray that came to us declawed, so he was mostly harmless. We still ended up making him an inside cat because we caught him sneaking into the neighbor's house to steal their cat's food and poop in its litterbox.
- Declawed cats are a coyotes favorite meal. Big enough to feed the kids and cant even fight back
  
  Not a lot of coyotes in our neck of the woods, but the little orange moron kept writing checks with the neighbor cats that his disarmed front paws couldn't cash, so he was always coming back with scratches. One of the other reasons we stopped letting him out.
  
  That is an oddly specific culinary preference for a wild animal to have.
  
  Easy to catch fattened meals are a pretty clear cut preference
  
  Is that how that works though? I don't know anything about Coyotes, but I know things generally know better than to fuck with cats.
  
  .......... Are you asking if a coyote can eat a cat?
  Do you understand they hunt deer? Theyre not really worried about a cat with clawless arthritis, horn and hoof wounds are much bigger threats.
  Predators dont know better than to not fuck with cats, most of them know to grab them before they get up a tree.
  
  No. I don't know coyotes. They hunt deer? In packs? Or are they large enough to do it solo?
  I thought these things were like mangy dogs the size of, well, a mangy dog.
  My point is, they wouldn't know the cat is clawless. I'd think most animals would give cats a wide berth, but then again dogs do chase them... Until they catch one and find themselves regretting it.
  
  They wouldnt care the cat isnt obviously clawless, they would just thank their lucky stars when the cat cant climb a tree. Coyotes dont like clawed cats because they can get up the tree, not because the claws deter them.
  A coyote is like a mangy dog in the same way a colt 45 is like a slingshot, in that they could both throw lead. Theyre smaller than wolves, but thats like saying "oh elk arent big, theyre smaller than moose," or "my truck isnt big, its smaller than a tank," or "oh my floodlights arent bright, theyre dimmer than the sun."
  Most predators dont give cats a wide berth unless they arent hungry. But if the belly needs filling? Yum yum
  
  But mangy dogs can't throw lead!
  I thought coyotes would more be BB guns.
  Also, do NOT underestimate the power of a slingshot and lead bullets.
  I suppose like I should not underestimate the power of a coyote.
  Although I am pretty sure that 1 on 1 I would take down a coyote in hand to hand combat. I think I could manage up to a kangaroo.
- Declawing is cruel. It's basically cutting off your first knuckle.
  
  I would never do it to a cat, but when this particular one wandered into my then-girlfriend's house one night and decided he lived there, he was already declawed. He never seemed to suffer too badly from it, fortunately.
- But what if he was a guest there? Maybe the neighbour's cat told him "make yourself at home?" Did you even ask him? Psh ...
  
  We actually found out when my wife was over visiting, and he came in through the cat door, locked eyes with her, froze, and slowly backed out of the house. 😅

Absolute environmental disaster, they need to be spayed and neutered and occasionally culled by any competent local government.

You'll also need to ban pet cats from walking outside without a leash. Our cats were neutered, didn't stop them from killing any mice or birds they could get their paws on.
- The reason they need to be spayed and neutered instead of outright killed is because culls don't really work on animals that reproduce that quickly. Whenever a spot opens up for another cat to make its territory, it gets immediately claimed. There are a ton of research papers that show spaying and neutering is more effective at lowering stray populations, and that euthanization is more costly on top of being less effective.
  
  I was talking about the cats that are kept as pets, not stray cats. I guess it varies from country to country, but most cats walking around outside in Norway are pets (~90%). Reducing the stray cat population to zero wouldn't fix the issue of cats killing all the small wildlife unless pet cats are also kept inside.
  I wasn't saying anything against neutering cats.
  
  Wonderful plumage, Norwegian Blues.
  
  If the cat never exits the home then idgaf honestly, but if it escapes then it should be eliminated in the most effective way possible. That is my stance, an unattended cat is a stray for all intents and purposes.
  
  Wow that's cruel. Someone's cat gets loose, they can't find it yet, and you think it should be killed. Good job killing Fluffy because he escaped.
  
  But letting it slaughter little birds is not cruel, somehow? A manmade pest with no beneficial role to nature is somehow much better to you than functioning ecosystems? If a cat gets out, the owner has made a mistake and will now deal with the consequences.
  
  You mean allowing those cats to follow their instinct doesn't compare to a human making a rational decision to straight up kill someones cat because they slipped through a door?
  Who would have thought?
  Do you also kill your spouse when they eat a steak?
  
  No, because as a Human I don't have any authority to weigh the value of other Humans, but we do have that right and in fact the responsibility over Cats which exist in absurd numbers everywhere as a result of human incompetence. Your cat should never escape if you're responsible, and if it does then I hope you can catch it before it causes any harm and is exterminated.
  
  I'd say we take this one step further and declaw, spay, neuter, and keep a lot of people on a leash.
- Oh no, the horror.

Yup, fuck your outdoor cats.

Humans kill much, much more animals.

I miss the internet where people could laugh at a silly comics instead of writing and upvoting this.

Mate, we're old enough now to have to actually fix shit instead of waxing lyrical about our youth. Let's work together, and still have a laugh.
They're projecting. There is an industry killing billions of animals which is also very bad for the environment and ecosystems. If only they could be as passionate about that as about someone else's cat…
- Who says that they're not?
  
  Statistics.
  Didn't expect Lemmy to turn Reddit this fast 😅
- "Who cares that I club seals? Johnny next door clubs 50 walruses. Sure theyre both going extinct now, but he gets 50 a day! I only get 1!! How could you care that Im clubbing seals with all those dead walruses?"
  
  Exactly the poor logic you'd expect from someone who didn't go to college. Apparently most of Lemmy…
  
  Im a professional ecologist, there, animal abuser.
  But go on, keep telling me how you failed middle school bio so hard that you know better than the global scientific community
  
  Lol 😝 You're full of shit. Sad thing is you don't know it yet.

I'm glad to know my outdoor cat kills animals

Do you get off on animals going extinct? What is wrong with you?
"Outdoor domestic cats are a recognized threat to global biodiversity. Cats have contributed to the extinction of 63 species of birds, mammals, and reptiles in the wild"
- Pretty fuckin low on the priority list to be honest. Cats have been doing this forever. Humans are way worse.
  
  Yeah in their natural habitats, humans are the ones that brought cats with them enabling them to hunt species to extinction. Cats could not have done it without humanity's help.
  
  Cats are part of the human problem. If you cant reason that bit out, you 100% should not be responsible for another living thing, and probably need regular supervision from an adult to keep you from hurting yourself
  
  This planets already fucked.
  Compare the damage humans have done to this planet compared to cats, and tell me THAT'S the problem we should be focusing on.
  This planets fucked precisely because people like you worry about the smallest part of the problem possible while championing yourselves as intellectually and morally superior. You're just stupid.
  
  The cats are part of the damage done by humans.
  This subject is literally my job, dropout. Just because you dont grasp what we teach to children about nature doesnt make the facts suddenly warp to your feelings.
Agreed, lol. These people are way too sensitive about pests and birds dying.
- Wheres your chaperone?
- Why are you proud of lacking empathy for other living creatures? Are you hollow inside? When will you become part of figuring out a balance, instead of being proud of the problem?
  
  There's not a problem. You guys are worried about pet cats killing birds.
  Long list of shit before that's even remotely on my radar. Get a grip man and realize how privileged you are to sit here complaining about bullshit fuckin problems online.
  
  Do you realize how many other places in the universe have birds and cats and whales? They're our only other companions in a cold, hard universe where so much can go wrong.
  As such, I care a lot more about flora and fauna than mere human achievements and the problems that have resulted; while I'm proud of my species we also need to protect life in our respective little corners. That starts by not letting cats outdoors, and that's a fact.