Electric cars: The equivalent of switching from binge drinking whiskey to binge drinking wine.

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I really think we're too far in the hole here.
I think fear grips people at every angle and none of us are brave enough to accept bold action for positive change in our society. It seems like most people are just retracting instead.
I vaguely remember that "Ye" (formerly Kanye West) once said something like he formed a think tank to build a city but the thing stopping his team was that "Ye" didn't understand any of the concepts and he ran it into the ground.
I want public transportation, I think everyone wants it at this point but no no one understands why we need it. They all just want to escape.
(This message was brought to you by the new 2024 Ford Escape: just hit the road and escape to paradise)
- I like my car. Nothing will change that opinion, because nothing beats having a personal vehicle.
  
  There's no comparison to the personal freedom of having a car versus being dependent on others to ferry you around. That's why America will always be built around our great car infrastructure. We will never give up our freedom to roam our huge awesome land.
  
  Nothing like freedom like actively removing people from having multiple choices of transit by making illegal to build anything that isn't dependent on cars.
  Nothing like freedom like being forced to spend thousands on a several ton machine to do any task outside your home.
  Nothing like freedon like being forced to pay predatory insurance to private corporations in order to be legally allowed to drive your vehicle.
  Nothing like freedom like being dependent on oil companies that actively lobby against you in order to drive the vehicle that you are forced to own.
  Nothing like freedom like having infustructure that denies poor people and disabled people from participating in society.
  Nothing like freedom like having no independence if you are too old, too young, too intoxicated, or too disabled to drive.
  Nothing like freedom like being forced to have a license issued by your government in order to be independent.
  Nothing like freedom like being forced to use a vehicle that spies on you and collects information such as your sexual activity, immigration status, 'private' conversations, location, and much more.
  
  Tell me you can't afford a car without telling me
  
  I care about poor people so therefore I must be poor.
  
  What a nonsense argument. Poor people don't deserve freedom of movement?
  
  And here again we see the typical attempt to put words in somebody's mouth. I never said anything about what poor people deserve, that's your words, not mine.
  When you don't have a substantial rebuttal, you just make up a strawman argument.
  IMO everyone, regardless of economic stature, deserves every form of freedom legitimately available in society. For this example, if a poor person couldn't afford a car I would suggest a cheap used motorcycle. I've bought a couple of those, one was $900 and the other was $2500.
  
  This is incredibly insane when you consider the cost incurred to maintain a vehicle. No poor person would do this in the right mind it would be nothing but a debt trap. It's shameful that public transit is downright near illegal and most metropolitan areas in North America and it is the best solution get over it
  
  You're overestimating the cost to own a vehicle. My costs are very low overall. I spend about $50 a month on gas or less, and I have no car payments, and my insurance cost is about $100 per month. Total cost of ownership for my 2 vehicles is less than $200 per month, and I can drive them anywhere I want at any time.
  
  I've both been poor and owned a few vehicles and $2000 repair bills happen, more than once in the life cycle of a car and much more than I could ever afford if I hadn't been better off before I pulled the trigger in cars but down take my word for it John Oliver did a great peice on how bad of a debt trap they are on average
  
  I would argue that a fast, frequent and comprehensive public transport system gives you more personal freedom. Being able to easily get around without having to worry about piloting a heavy vehicle, without the burden of maintenance, and being flexible once out due to not needing to worry about where you're storing your car. Plug the gaps with (electric and/or cargo) bikes for shorter trips and car share for longer ones and you have a much better, more equitable transport system.
  
  All public transport vehicles are heavier than my personal vehicle though. Also public transport doesn't provide the freedom of choosing any destination that you want, and taking yourself there on your own schedule. That's what I was talking about.
  
  You aren't piloting a public transport vehicle, a professional is and you are free to not worry about it.
  A frequent and comprehensive public transport system does allow for that freedom, without all of the burdens of car ownership. Bikes and car share can be used to fill in the gaps when the public transport isn't comprehensive enough.

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